Merc Hunt.

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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by bobthemonkey @ Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:09 pm

Is that the one with the really dodgy electro hydraulic brakes.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by WD40 @ Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:14 pm

bobthemonkey wrote:Is that the one with the really dodgy electro hydraulic brakes.


Dunno, but it is the one with the dodgy radiators that can end up contaminating the gearbox oil and as a result lunching both it AND the cooling system in the process. :hehe:
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Dirk @ Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:37 am

WD40 wrote:
bobthemonkey wrote:Is that the one with the really dodgy electro hydraulic brakes.


Dunno, but it is the one with the dodgy radiators that can end up contaminating the gearbox oil and as a result lunching both it AND the cooling system in the process. :hehe:


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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Deuteronomy @ Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:29 am

Strawman wrote:I think Duke Thrust runs a similarly engined coupe version, which is lighter, he claims around 25mpg which isn't too bad compared with much slower and feebler cars which use are nearly that thirsty in day to day driving.


Yesterday, without trying, I ran at 25.1 mpg on the way back from clients, normal motorway speeds.

Average over the last 1800 miles, 21.2 - that includes a lot of town stuff too.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Tumescent Acorn @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:10 am

Duke Thrust wrote:
Strawman wrote:I think Duke Thrust runs a similarly engined coupe version, which is lighter, he claims around 25mpg which isn't too bad compared with much slower and feebler cars which use are nearly that thirsty in day to day driving.


Yesterday, without trying, I ran at 25.1 mpg on the way back from clients, normal motorway speeds.

Average over the last 1800 miles, 21.2 - that includes a lot of town stuff too.

Any problems like radiator contamination etc ?
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Deuteronomy @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:29 am

911 newbie wrote:
Duke Thrust wrote:
Strawman wrote:I think Duke Thrust runs a similarly engined coupe version, which is lighter, he claims around 25mpg which isn't too bad compared with much slower and feebler cars which use are nearly that thirsty in day to day driving.


Yesterday, without trying, I ran at 25.1 mpg on the way back from clients, normal motorway speeds.

Average over the last 1800 miles, 21.2 - that includes a lot of town stuff too.

Any problems like radiator contamination etc ?


Nope, all good.
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Merc Hunt.

Post by WD40 @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:17 am

The S, CL and SL 55 AMG are not afflicted by the glycol contamination thing, it's a side effect of the cheaper Valeo radiators used in the E55 (it's shared with tbe E500).

The top line cars all got a bespoke AMG radiator/gearbox oil cooler arrangement. Mercedes addressed the issue in around 2005 by fitting this to the E55s from factory instead of the earlier set-up.

Also, the S Class derived CL is heavier than the E, but their extra power and torque offsets the difference so the power-to-weight and torque-to-weight ratios are similar.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Tumescent Acorn @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:06 pm

An estate version for £10k
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by nakedninja @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:07 pm

Horn.

I like that.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Damien Thorn @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:13 pm

That's because estates are best. We had a thread once that confirmed it with science. Best.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by nakedninja @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:19 pm

Interesting.

I remember thinking that an M5 estate, possibly the E60 but am not WD so don't care, would be a great 'do everything car', especially as it could do 200mph and cba typing the rest of this.

You're right, but not fully.
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Merc Hunt.

Post by WD40 @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:27 pm

E61...
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by nakedninja @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:38 pm

So close...









to caring
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Tumescent Acorn @ Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:44 pm

200 mph, with a dog in the back.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by WD40 @ Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:17 pm

A heck of a lot of car for ten grand.

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Vital stats: 5.5l V12, two turbos, 493 bhp & 590 lb ft, 2,075kg.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Barbarianna @ Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:40 pm

Those are a great prospect for export sale to sons of African despots. IMO theyre too often pimped and driven by retired cab drivers with disabled badges over here! Shame cos they look great. And at that price they're £5 a kilo!
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by nakedninja @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:40 am

Looks good but the steering wheel buttons are the same as the one on the Vito at work, which cheapens it for me. Or would, if I ever sat in one.

Until I pressed the go pedal.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Tumescent Acorn @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:13 am

Odd, it appears to red line at under 6k rpm.

Is that common for a V12 ?
At an engine rpm of 6k that's 0.5k in each cylinder.
My deisel 5pot does 5k rpm, that's 1k per cyclinder.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Strawman @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:24 am

SOme Motorbike engines can do 12k, they don't make 490 BHP though, I'm not sure what your point is 911?
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Deuteronomy @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:24 am

Love it, but the V12 would keep me up with worry at night.

It's only done 52k which means that all the bad shit is yet to come.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by WD40 @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 am

911 newbie wrote:Odd, it appears to red line at under 6k rpm.

Is that common for a V12 ?
At an engine rpm of 6k that's 0.5k in each cylinder.
My deisel 5pot does 5k rpm, that's 1k per cyclinder.


What on Earth do you mean? Max rpm aren't all the cylinders added up, they're all connected by the same crank. Really not sure what you're getting at.

As for "normal" for a V12, it's fairly normal for one installed in a large, heavy, luxury car to be designed to have a very even torque delivery and not use lots of unseemly revs, most of those in BMWs, Mercs, Bentleys (Ws, but the same principle applies) and Jaguars of old. All have a very relaxed and smooth power delivery and can make progress without using half the available rev range. The turbocharged ones feel almost locomotive in their delivery in normal driving - and completely bonkers when you actually let it rev out in each gear.

By contrast, you have those V12s designed for sports/supercars like Aston Martins, Lamborghinis and Ferraris tend to be designed to rev more and work in lighter vehicles where ultimate performance is the goal over quiet, effortless, smoothness. The wide spread of torque characteristic is still there, just over a wider range.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Käsemeister @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:02 am

Wasn't that generation of engine massively restricted, to protect the old gearbox or summat?
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Deuteronomy @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:07 am

Käsemeister wrote:Wasn't that generation of engine massively restricted, to protect the old gearbox or summat?


The 7 speed is made from wishes and dreams which is why it wasn't fitted to the CL55.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Käsemeister @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:07 am

Aaaah t'other way around.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:11 am

WD40 wrote:
911 newbie wrote:Odd, it appears to red line at under 6k rpm.

Is that common for a V12 ?
At an engine rpm of 6k that's 0.5k in each cylinder.
My deisel 5pot does 5k rpm, that's 1k per cyclinder.


What on Earth do you mean? Max rpm aren't all the cylinders added up, they're all connected by the same crank. Really not sure what you're getting at.


Pretty sure 911newbie implied he was some sort of engineering lecturer.

He's resoundingly rumbled himself with that lunacy.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by WD40 @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:12 am

Duke Thrust wrote:
Käsemeister wrote:Wasn't that generation of engine massively restricted, to protect the old gearbox or summat?


The 7 speed is made from wishes and dreams which is why it wasn't fitted to the CL55.


:hehe:

Or the SL600/65 AMG, for the same reason.

It's the 65 that was torque limited as that 5 speed was "only" rated to 1,000Nm/738 lbft.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Deuteronomy @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:12 am

Second Marine wrote:Pretty sure 911newbie implied he was some sort of engineering lecturer.



That was just to get to the girls though?
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by minimoog @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:13 am

WD40 wrote:By contrast, you have those V12s designed for sports/supercars like Aston Martins, Lamborghinis and Ferraris tend to be designed to rev more and work in lighter vehicles where ultimate performance is the goal over quiet, effortless, smoothness. The wide spread of torque characteristic is still there, just over a wider range.


And then you have race engines such as Ferrari's 043 V12 which was putting out 820 hp at 15,800 rpm :cool:
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:15 am

Duke Thrust wrote:
Second Marine wrote:Pretty sure 911newbie implied he was some sort of engineering lecturer.



That was just to get to the girls though?

They are going to feel pretty silly right about now I suspect.
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Re: Merc Hunt.

Post by mugwump00 @ Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:44 am

I well heart this thread! :)
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