Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

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Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:59 pm

I love these and keep looking at them as a replacement to the Audi. Not as refined but there's something about them.

I fear the LR ownership though. Rightly or wrongly, any opinions?

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Re: Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

Post by Strawman @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:04 pm

My Boss had one, they are massively solid but his seemed to always need a thousand plus spent on it every service. He still liked it though.
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Re: Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

Post by HeavySoul @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:11 pm

My mechanic friend was telling me an anacdote about the twin turbo version the other day.

Apparently if the turbos go (which they do) it is complete body off to get to them.

The quote was £5500.

And that was from a greasy backstreet garage.

Still desire one very strongly though!
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Post by Anotherconvert @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:14 pm

What engine? 2.7 is sloooow. Later engines much better.

The gearboxes are fragile from reputation and fearsomely expensive to fix. Ok if warranted I suppose.

Our work one is great to drive and is built for proper sized people.

Clever kit inside and they feel well made.

I'd think you'd be surprised on the refinement stakes with the latest engines. Not exactly good on fuel, even by 4x4 standards, but then ours is often driven very hard. Better in adverse weather/conditions/snow than my old touareg.

The dealers are high achiever cnuts. One of the things that ruled out a LR when we bought the pathfinder.
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Re: Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

Post by HeavySoul @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:21 pm

Doesn't KM have one of these?

Goes to show that if you can afford a private lake, you can afford to run a LR.
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Post by thekungfury @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:29 pm

I also like them but fear ownership.

A mate had an old one which was horrendously unreliable. "It's great off-road. It spends most of its time off the road, in a garage!" he'd say, hilariously.
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Re: Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

Post by HeavySoul @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:36 pm

Get a Land Cruiser.
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Post by Deuteronomy @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:03 pm

Love them and if I didn't have the RR I'd have one of these.

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Post by Käsemeister @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:49 pm

HeavySoul wrote:My mechanic friend was telling me an anacdote about the twin turbo version the other day. Apparently if the turbos go (which they do) it is complete body off to get to them.


LR claim that, LR specialists claim not. Either way, given they're separate chassis, taking the body off is a matter of a handful of bolts and a lift. They're designed to come apart extremely quickly. Deliberately that is, not whilst moving, that's Alfas. Also, the turbos are known to pop on the shitty Ford/French 2.7Td, not so much on the 3TT.


Anotherconvert wrote:What engine? 2.7 is sloooow. Later engines much better.

The gearboxes are fragile from reputation and fearsomely expensive to fix. Ok if warranted I suppose.

I'd think you'd be surprised on the refinement stakes with the latest engines. Not exactly good on fuel, even by 4x4 standards, but then ours is often driven very hard. Better in adverse weather/conditions/snow than my old touareg.

The dealers are high achiever cnuts. One of the things that ruled out a LR when we bought the pathfinder.


2.7 is indeed a pile of poo, always was in the D3, worse in the D4.

Gearboxes are pretty much indestructible, though the "sealed for life" thing is bollocks, same as it is for BMW/Merc installations. Needs an oil change around 100k.

Dealers are spectacular idiots, but at least they're polite about it, unlike BMW who are idiots and spectacularly rude. I've had mine serviced by a local garage for the last 40k without incident. Parts are cheap, fixes are cheap. In 95k, we've had a couple of anti roll bars, some new brake discs, a leaky sunroof caused by a blocked drain, and a couple of dicky parking sensors. Biggest cost was a new set of front lower wishbones ("common fault sir") at 90k and cost a horrendous £220 in parts and a couple of hours to fit.... Certainly compared to Audi parts and labour charges they're a fraction, all the more so at non-franchise. Tyres can be very cheap too - I run my D3 on 19" MTRs, and were around £150 each. You may want road tyres however, which are rather more. MTRs should last around 30-40k, roads will last less. The X5's 19"s were £300 each, but in fairness that was nearly ten years ago when 19's were less common. I was surprised however when I traded that for the Rangie and found that had cheaper tyres than the BMW!

Refinement is excellent, toys off the scale, especially in HSE, and will go anywhere you want it to including places you don't. All-terrain armchair. Masses of space inside compared to the Q7 too - full 7 seater for 6ft+ adults.

The LR ownership thing is, IMO, somewhat dated. Now that 90% of the undergarments are either ex-BMW or Ford or Jaguar, they've taken a big leap up from the 90's crapboxes. My brother in law has spent horrific amounts of money putting stickytape on his 1998 Defender, I have yet to be too worried by any bill appearing on the D3. Which obviously means when dawn comes tomorrow it'll be in small pieces across the drive.

As I've said before, the D3 feels like a come down after the Range Rover as whilst they have 90% of the same kit (bar the heated steering wheel which I sooooo miss) they're simply made out of cheaper, more utilitarian stuff. The D4 reversed that, taking it more squarely up against the Q7 / X5 with it being much more plush and shiny. Ironically it makes it a little less practical as you're less inclined to get it mucky, but it'll still stand the abuse. The one thing they both do so well is simply feeling unstoppable whilst being extremely comfy, and will take basically whatever you throw at them. I never had the same feeling in our X5, it felt far more fragile, far less inclined to ever get a wheel nut slightly dirty, and pretty cramped inside.

They are however an acquired taste - they very demonstrably don't feel "Germanic" and for me that's a bonus, for others it's off putting. Also one doesn't need the unstoppable mountain-climbing capabilities to go down the King's road, so it's credentials and appeal in that direction may be irrelevant. Out here we like knowing the thing will handle anything and everything, and there is a running joke that with the floods every year (all the more so this year) there are certain roads / tracks that are LR/Toybota/Mitsu only, whereas the Audi/BMW/Porsche (and amusingly, RRS) types have to either go the long way round or go home. It's somewhat unfair as driven well the Cayenne at least should be able to get over most obstacles, which makes it more a reflection on the type of driver - most of the landowners and horsey set around here have D3/D4/Rangie, likewise the big farmers, so actually seeing one of the other marques is rare by comparison. The road about half a mile from our gate flooded over last week and has yet to clear but everyone still piles through it - water is up to the midline of the doors.... again, irrelevant for Southerners (except this week), but it ticks a box for me.


HeavySoul wrote:Doesn't KM have one of these?

Goes to show that if you can afford a private lake, you can afford to run a V8 LR.


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Re: Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

Post by HeavySoul @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:17 pm

See what actual, firsthand experience does!

<opens Autotrader app>
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Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:38 pm

<massive erection>

You're responsible for that KM!
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Post by Käsemeister @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:50 pm

I'm used to it. You're only human.
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Post by Bodhi @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:20 pm

Oh fellas!!!!!

I'm thinking of getting a big car again and now want one of these. I hate myself for wanting one.
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Post by Anotherconvert @ Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:47 pm

Strange. Our work one doesn't like its gearbox as much as yours does.

Then again last time I drove it was in a pursuit. It wasn't best suited, but it was fun.

We have a shogun as well. That is very rough. Capable, but rough.

2M. The genuine (Deep South accent) proper chassis makes them feel heavy on the road. Mainly as they are heavy. Bloody good at towing as well. I don't think as good as the pathfinder, better than the 3.0 touareg, not as good as the wife old 5.0. But I doubt anything this side of a scania is...

Interesting what KM. Says about tyres as I want something more off road biased.
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Post by Käsemeister @ Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:22 am

They'll tow 3.5 tons which is quite a bit. They are plush Shogun / Landcruiser territory which were their competition until they went all swanky to go up against Q7 and X5 instead.

Which gearboxes do the work ones have AC? 6 or 8 speed?

You'll be glad to know mine broke this morning. Hit a pothole and now there's a nice rattle every time I go over a bump. That'll be the front roll bar clip again.

£7.


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Disco 4s - good or terrible to own?

Post by Käsemeister @ Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:27 am

They'll tow 3.5 tons which is quite a bit. They are plush Shogun / Landcruiser territory which were their competition until they went all swanky to go up against Q7 and X5 instead.

Which gearboxes do the work ones have AC? 6 or 8 speed?

You'll be glad to know mine broke this morning. Hit a pothole at speed on the way to school that was rather larger than it was last night and now there's a nice rattle every time I go over a bump. That'll be the front roll bar clip again.

£7.


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Post by Anotherconvert @ Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:15 am

How much road noise do you get with the those? They are similar to what we have, I was going to look at Maxxis or a set of Goodrich knobbly.

Our work one is a 6 speed. Prob older than yours it's on a 57 plate I think, one of the last before swapping to X5 for a bit more speed I guess.

For the off road stuff we need we now get shoguns. Which are really bad on road on knobbly tyres and keep you entertained with comedy roll. The interior in those has held up better though, not surprising given the way PC's treat stuff.
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Post by Käsemeister @ Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:19 am

Nah mines a 2005 so older still. They are indeed noisier than road tyres but the difference is fairly slight. They're General Grabber ATs. Speed isn't a problem on the V8 :hehe: come to think of it the road noise increase is probably more noticeable on the V8 than the log burners.
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Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:01 pm

A year has passed and I've now decided to buy a D4. Hooray!

Can I ask about options? I'm hoping to get an HSE and would like the tow pack (for mounting bike rack) but what else is worth 'having' to have? Rear cam? Etc?
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Post by Rod Rammage @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:07 pm

Aren't they about to be replaced?

I prefer the new (since 2011?) Touareg inside, plus better performance/economy/CO2.

Prefer the looks of the Discovery though.
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Post by Käsemeister @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:09 pm

Tokyo Sexwale wrote:A year has passed and I've now decided to buy a D4. Hooray!

Can I ask about options? I'm hoping to get an HSE and would like the tow pack (for mounting bike rack) but what else is worth 'having' to have? Rear cam? Etc?


Hurrah! Tow pack makes sense, as does rear / surround cam. HSE definitely the way to go. Side steps are very useful, but an awful lot cheaper third party than up front. Can't remember how small your spawn are, but they may well struggle getting in without them.


Rod Rammage wrote:Aren't they about to be replaced?


In the not too distant, but not quite close enough to cripple prices. Definitely the time to buy.
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Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:11 pm

Rod Rammage wrote:Aren't they about to be replaced?

Probably - don't mind too much though as I'm not buying new anyway. I like the Toureg too.

Käsemeister wrote:
Tokyo Sexwale wrote:A year has passed and I've now decided to buy a D4. Hooray!

Can I ask about options? I'm hoping to get an HSE and would like the tow pack (for mounting bike rack) but what else is worth 'having' to have? Rear cam? Etc?


Hurrah! Tow pack makes sense, as does rear cam. HSE definitely the way to go.

Any other extras that are worth seeking out or does the HSE cover most things?
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Post by Rod Rammage @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:12 pm

Käsemeister wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Aren't they about to be replaced?


In the not too distant, but not quite close enough to cripple prices. Definitely the time to buy.


I dunno. If they replace them in a year that means you have the old model. Which is ok if buying second-hand but not new. Personally that's what I think anyway.
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Post by Käsemeister @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:13 pm

Sorry edited.

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Post by Rod Rammage @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:13 pm

Tokyo Sexwale wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Aren't they about to be replaced?

Probably - don't mind too much though as I'm not buying new anyway. I like the Toureg too.


Yeah ok then.

The Touareg has a nice big screen, the LR's is a bit dinky. Plus the Touareg has the little driver info screen in the instrument cluster, which is one of the best things about VAG's.
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Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:14 pm

Käsemeister wrote:Sorry edited.

Side steps.

Good shout.

Some of the things like cold climate pack and the headrest tvs look awesome so I'm like a magpie, pecking away at the shiny things on autotrader at the moment.
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Post by Käsemeister @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:15 pm

Tokyo Sexwale wrote:
Käsemeister wrote:Sorry edited.

Side steps.

Good shout.

Some of the things like cold climate pack and the headrest tvs look awesome so I'm like a magpie, pecking away at the shiny things on autotrader at the moment.


I'm struggling a bit with LRs website which isn't exactly helpful. Do you have a handy link? Seems the HSE comes with the reverse camera anyway.
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Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:16 pm

Rod Rammage wrote:
Tokyo Sexwale wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Aren't they about to be replaced?

Probably - don't mind too much though as I'm not buying new anyway. I like the Toureg too.


Yeah ok then.

The Touareg has a nice big screen, the LR's is a bit dinky. Plus the Touareg has the little driver info screen in the instrument cluster, which is one of the best things about VAG's.

Just looked and I see what you mean, it's massive. Almost too large...
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Post by Rod Rammage @ Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:20 pm

Tokyo Sexwale wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:
Tokyo Sexwale wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Aren't they about to be replaced?

Probably - don't mind too much though as I'm not buying new anyway. I like the Toureg too.


Yeah ok then.

The Touareg has a nice big screen, the LR's is a bit dinky. Plus the Touareg has the little driver info screen in the instrument cluster, which is one of the best things about VAG's.

Just looked and I see what you mean, it's massive. Almost too large...


Stop complaining you little slut.

Personally I would choose the Touareg, shrug.
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