9-5 HOT Aero Estate

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9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:02 pm

I know there are a few aeroverts lurking around here. What problem areas would I need to look out for on a 2005 era auto estate - apparently manuals are out because someone has decided she prefers autos now!
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Strawman @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:16 pm

They changed the sump pick design after early cars suffered from it blocking and oil starvation lead to ruined engines, so either that this has been done or budget for sump removal and cleaning and the revised pick up being fitted. Mainly affected the cooking models since aeros were supposed to be fed on fully synthetic oil only, this is less likely to sludge. The auto box is good made by tAisin he company that makes the gearboxes for Lexus,
Bad things listed here
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/saab/9-5-1997/?section=good
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by dave_s13 @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:25 pm

fcuk me, if you took any notice of that honest John site you'd never buy anything. They've listed every tiny fault ever recorded!

I had a 2004 manual estate for a couple of years. Generally it was very good, gear change was crap but auto will solve that.

Just make sure it's all sound and it'll be right. Only issues you'll have are front tyre wear and cost to fuel it. They run much happier on higher RON fuel so bear that in mind, mine was sluggish on normal stuff.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Strawman @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:32 pm

dave_s13 wrote:They run much happier on higher RON fuel so bear that in mind, mine was sluggish on normal stuff.


If it's the same as the engine in the 9000 there is some voodoo so it can detect the knock threshold and increase (or decrease) the boost according to RON.
Agree about the HJ bad points list, it's cobbled together from forum posts without any editorial oversight so can be a bit petty.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:44 pm

dave_s13 wrote:fcuk me, if you took any notice of that honest John site you'd never buy anything. They've listed every tiny fault ever recorded!

Thought the same, which is why I asked here as I know there are more than a few on here that have had them.
dave_s13 wrote:Only issues you'll have are front tyre wear and cost to fuel it. They run much happier on higher RON fuel so bear that in mind, mine was sluggish on normal stuff.

I guess you'd get heavier tyre wear on a 250hp fwd drive car ;-) I do seem to get through more rears on the M5 and being used to running that, the fuel shouldn't be an issue.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Käsemeister @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:17 pm

Aeros fine on 95 as they self adjust. Batshit crazy on 98.

Other than that check everything works, if it does you're fine. End of.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by dave_s13 @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:53 pm

Yeah, don't get me wrong they still drive 100% on 95 but mine was significantly blunted vs 99Ron.

It was the difference between "nippy" and "fcuk me that's quick".

The mid range shove is pretty impressive for the size of the things. They feel faster than the on paper power/weight ratio.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Käsemeister @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:02 pm

Yep 98/99 is lovely if you can get it.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:23 pm

Rear suspension bushes do strange things to tyre wear when they get worn.

My car uses quite a bit of oil, but the specialist assures me 'they all do that sir', which I don't compketely believe and brings me on to my final point:

Specialists. Try to find one (not easy round my parts) who will actually fix the thing instead of telling you every reason why it's not worth it. I wanted to keep mine 100%, but it became impossible to pay anyone to put the tinyest niggles right. In the end I gave up and decided to run it into the ground - which being a Saab, it won't do until something fundamental like a wheel or engine falls off.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Käsemeister @ Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:42 pm

Rear suspension is a curio on the wagons, oddly doesn't affect the salooooon.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:26 am

Careless Whisperer wrote:Rear suspension bushes do strange things to tyre wear when they get worn.

Käsemeister wrote:Rear suspension is a curio on the wagons, oddly doesn't affect the salooooon.

Something to watch out for then. Ta.

Careless Whisperer wrote:My car uses quite a bit of oil, but the specialist assures me 'they all do that sir', which I don't compketely believe and brings me on to my final point:

What's 'a bit'? I generally need to put about 800ml into the M5 every 1000/1200 miles, handbook states 1l /1000 miles.

Careless Whisperer wrote:Specialists. Try to find one (not easy round my parts) who will actually fix the thing instead of telling you every reason why it's not worth it. I wanted to keep mine 100%, but it became impossible to pay anyone to put the tinyest niggles right. In the end I gave up and decided to run it into the ground - which being a Saab, it won't do until something fundamental like a wheel or engine falls off.

Where I live, I may as well go on the hunt for a unicorn. I do have a decent mechanic though, as long as spares are easy enough to get hold of which I believe they are all should be good.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:21 am

HappyGoLucky wrote:
Careless Whisperer wrote:My car uses quite a bit of oil, but the specialist assures me 'they all do that sir', which I don't compketely believe and brings me on to my final point:

What's 'a bit'? I generally need to put about 800ml into the M5 every 1000/1200 miles, handbook states 1l /1000 miles.

Ah, ok then - mine uses about the same. I've never had to out so much in any car before, so assumed it was unusual.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:23 am

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Careless Whisperer wrote:Specialists. Try to find one (not easy round my parts) who will actually fix the thing instead of telling you every reason why it's not worth it. I wanted to keep mine 100%, but it became impossible to pay anyone to put the tinyest niggles right. In the end I gave up and decided to run it into the ground - which being a Saab, it won't do until something fundamental like a wheel or engine falls off.

Where I live, I may as well go on the hunt for a unicorn. I do have a decent mechanic though, as long as spares are easy enough to get hold of which I believe they are all should be good.

You'll probably fare better then. The 'highly regarded' specialists seem content to watch their customers cars slowly deteriorate.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:53 am

With the M5 I believe it's something to do with the forged pistons taking a while to warm up & expand fully, but not mechanic so could be talking from arse.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Käsemeister @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:13 am

Never had to put oil in mine. My m5 needed a bit, the Cerbera drank more oil than fuel.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Disastrous @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:29 am

Mine barely touches oil either, so I'd guess some do and some don't...wouldn't sweat it.


I would also not get one with powerfold mirrors, were I buying again. Mine have never worked properly and the units cost more than the car's worth to replace, so you get left with an irrelevant dashboard button.

I had visions of being in a chase and going through a narrowing gap between I dunno, a container ship and a cliff forex, and everyone in the car screaming as I calmly press the button before the camera quickly cuts to outside to show the mirrors folding in, me just making the gap and then shooting out the other end as my pursuer burns to a crisp. Never happened though.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:57 am

Disastrous wrote:I would also not get one with powerfold mirrors, were I buying again. Mine have never worked properly and the units cost more than the car's worth to replace, so you get left with an irrelevant dashboard button.

So swap the irrelevant button for something more sinister...
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Disastrous wrote:I had visions of being in a chase and going through a narrowing gap between I dunno, a container ship and a cliff forex, and everyone in the car screaming as I calmly press the button before the camera quickly cuts to outside to show the mirrors folding in, me just making the gap and then shooting out the other end as my pursuer burns to a crisp. Never happened though.

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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:32 am

My powerfold mirrors work fine, however the left mirror glass hasn't moved properly in ages and must surely be too difficult to fix.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Alfa Male @ Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:06 pm

My '05 Aero estate has generaly been great for just under 2 years now. Have run it from 185k km to the current 230k km. I've had one engine sensor go which did cause engine issues. Had to replace it for around 180 Euro's. If it clears its annual service and MoT in a few weeks I might just keep it for another year (only planned to keep it for one).
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Sat May 10, 2014 11:37 am

Having seen cheeseys new steed and looking again at the 9-3's is there much difference between them & the 9-5? I'm still only looking at the older versions up to 2007. So whihc is better? The 9-3 seems to have a slightly bigger boot than it's big brother too which is handy but not the end of the world.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Käsemeister @ Sat May 10, 2014 12:23 pm

It may do on paper but in the real world the 9-5s is better. In standard form the 9-5 goes, rides and handles better than the 9-3, assuming we're talking Aeros. Mine has a completely different suspension setup which eclipses the lot. 9-5 has a gruntier engine too.

DT has an older 9-3 cab so can tell you more about the engine / gearbox choices.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Sat May 10, 2014 6:08 pm

Käsemeister wrote:It may do on paper but in the real world the 9-5s is better. In standard form the 9-5 goes, rides and handles better than the 9-3, assuming we're talking Aeros. Mine has a completely different suspension setup which eclipses the lot. 9-5 has a gruntier engine too.

Sounds like I'll stick with the hunt for a 9-5 Hot Aero then.
Käsemeister wrote:DT has an older 9-3 cab so can tell you more about the engine / gearbox choices.

Common sense dictates I get an estate, otherwise I'd have bought his XJR now I know I can get work around the silly tax rules as long as I stick to older cars.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Käsemeister @ Sat May 10, 2014 7:11 pm

Aye I was thinking more specific info on 9-3 range engines.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:31 pm

Anyone near this? But for the removeable tow bar & dog guards, it looks perfect for me...
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Strawman @ Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:38 pm

HappyGoLucky wrote:Anyone near this? But for the removeable tow bar & dog guards, it looks perfect for me...


95 miles from me, I tried this website to find out where exactly that is but it didn't work
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gmaps/index-atsearch.html

Seems at the top end of pricing and the ALL IN CAPS LOCK text puts me off.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:19 pm

Strawman wrote:95 miles from me, I tried this website to find out where exactly that is but it didn't work
http://www.cybertects.co.uk/gmaps/index-atsearch.html

Seems at the top end of pricing and the ALL IN CAPS LOCK text puts me off.

The single owner / lower mileage bit appeal and I'll pay a bit more for that, I missed a lovely one on PH a few weeks back because I was vascillating on whether to get it or not. Now I just want to get one asap.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Strawman @ Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:22 pm

Phone him up and find out where it is then, I might be able to go and kick a tyre then scratch my chin while shaking my head and looking disappointed, if it is in the South East.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by minimoog @ Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:45 pm

The satnav shows it's in Runfold nr Farnham/Aldershot.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Firkin @ Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:07 pm

minimoog wrote:The satnav shows it's in Runfold nr Farnham/Aldershot.


Sounds about right, coming up as 25 miles from me.
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Re: 9-5 HOT Aero Estate

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:11 pm


:rofl: wow
autotrader.co.uk has a handy feature that tells you how far away a car is from you. There is, however, a niggle with this because it does not tell you where the seller is based.

If, like me, you live on one side of a large city, an as-the-crow-flies journey of 40 miles to the other side of London is considerably less attractive than a 40 mile trip down the A3 to Guildford. For various reasons, you may not be able or want to phone every seller just to ask them where they are before deciding which ones to follow up.

With this in mind, I decided to make use of Google Maps UK to triangulate the location from three or more known locations.

Use at least three of the post codes provided above as your 'home' post code in an Autotrader search. Note down the distance from each one to the car you're interested in and enter it into the corresponding field in the form above. You'll just have to make sure you use a wide enough search distance from each city on Autotrader, so '200 miles' or 'National' may be suitable. If you find you're getting too many results back, narrow your other search criteria like price.

You should then have three or more circles drawn on a map of the UK. Where all of them intersect is where the car is located, with an accuracy of a few miles.


Yes that sounds much easier than calling the advertiser and asking where they're based.
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