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America's Cup 2017

Post by Dirk @ Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:59 am

Last weekend of the world series tomorrow. For those that haven't been following Ben Ainslie's team are 14 points ahead at the moment.

The points from the world series are taken into the Qualifier series next year when it all gets more serious in the bigger boats. So the points from now only gives a marginal advantage, but an advantage nonetheless, so will be great if they can go in ahead

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Post by spast1kunt @ Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:55 am

I've watched them practicing with the big boat in the Solent and it's absolutely awesome. It's so fast that you can't really believe it's real. It looks as fast as the Southsea-Ryde hovercraft, which does about 45 knots.
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Post by Disastrous @ Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:23 pm

It's very exciting and good on him if he achieves the win. If he goes on to with the AC, I think he pretty much cements himself as one of the all time greats.
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Post by Hooli @ Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:56 pm

All I've seen of these yachts is when they did a few mins of them in a Guy Martin program. It did look amazingly fast & impressive.

Is this televised anywhere, I can't recall ever seeing more than the odd clip of it.
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Post by Dirk @ Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:49 pm

Hooli wrote:All I've seen of these yachts is when they did a few mins of them in a Guy Martin program. It did look amazingly fast & impressive.

Is this televised anywhere, I can't recall ever seeing more than the odd clip of it.

There was a 1 hour programme about the last of the America's Cup world series on BBC the other day. Still on iPlayer

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    • He won the last regatta and the world series so has a head start into the challenger series


Looking forward to the race boat. Here is a bit of them on a test baot

https://www.facebook.com/LandRoverBAR/videos/1060164974102171/

Dis, I agree. All thus fuss about Murray being the greatest British sportsman ever. He has won 5 grand slam tournaments (single and doubles) I think - when they play several a year. And 2 olympic medals

Whereas Ainslie has won 8 world championships (laser and finn), plus 2 youth worlds and the match racing worlds
Also 4 golds and a silver in the Olympics
And the Ameica's cup
And various other stuff

For those that don't know, the dinghy world championships; match racing and America's cup are very very different events. Like winning at the world cup and the 5 a side worlds, and the world keep-uppy championship

(not saying Ainlie is necessarily the greatest british sportsman of all time yet, just that he must be above Murray)
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Post by Hooli @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:25 pm

Cheers for the tip, I'll take a look on iplayer then.
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Post by ttwiggy @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:01 pm

BT Sport show it.

On the 'greatest sportsman' thing above, while (especially as a ((poor)) sailor) I really admire Ainslie's achievements, I think comparing a chap who skippers a boat to someone who has managed to rise to the top of one of the most demanding and competitive sports on the planet is entering 'apples and oranges' territory.
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Post by Dirk @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:33 pm

ttwiggy wrote:BT Sport show it.

On the 'greatest sportsman' thing above, while (especially as a ((poor)) sailor) I really admire Ainslie's achievements, I think comparing a chap who skippers a boat to someone who has managed to rise to the top of one of the most demanding and competitive sports on the planet is entering 'apples and oranges' territory.

Apples and oranges I agree with.

It is he tenniss-fans claiming their man is the greatestt ever British sportsma. That is what I disagree with.

And lest you think sailing does not require fitness, you need to try hiking out for an hour while trimming the mainsheet continuously
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Post by ttwiggy @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:47 pm

Dirk wrote:
ttwiggy wrote:BT Sport show it.

On the 'greatest sportsman' thing above, while (especially as a ((poor)) sailor) I really admire Ainslie's achievements, I think comparing a chap who skippers a boat to someone who has managed to rise to the top of one of the most demanding and competitive sports on the planet is entering 'apples and oranges' territory.

Apples and oranges I agree with.

It is he tenniss-fans claiming their man is the greatestt ever British sportsma. That is what I disagree with.

And lest you think sailing does not require fitness, you need to try hiking out for an hour while trimming the mainsheet continuously


I think Murray probably deserves to be viewed as 'one' of our greatest sportsmen ever. Definitive answers are impossible of course.

I have done a bit of race sailing (on things around the 35ft mark), but due to my immense knowledge of the wind and sea I was put on 'tactics' :)

Raising the main on my 28ft-er was enough of a chore - I wouldn't want to spend a whole race grinding.
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Post by Disastrous @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:04 pm

My biggest worry is breaking the equipment with the swans tbh.


I frequently snap sheets/masts/blocks when someone asks me something and I turn round to reply forgetting to let go.

With great power comes great responsibility.

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Post by dirtyboy @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:23 pm

:hehe:

Ainslie is an incredible sailor, not as good as me, as evidenced by me kicking his arse once upon a time....however, to add some perspective....there was the square root of fcuk all wind and I was a nipper weighing half an ounce, I think I was 9 or 10 and he was two or three years older and much bigger, but I managed to sneak past most people in that 'one' particular race. I finished waaaaay down the field in the other races and he simply discarded the one I beat him in...bastard.


Anyway, I always wheel that one out...(and taking credit for showing Nic Asher the road to glory) but given these fleets contain hundreds of sailors, it's like Murray having to play a hundred matches to win one event isn't it? He tops the list for me, simply amazing achievements. Mental and physical. Lasers & Finns are tough boats to haul ass in.
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Post by Dirk @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:30 pm

Good story DB.
He always shied away from going head-to-head with me so I can't tell such a good story
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Post by ttwiggy @ Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:34 pm

I've always made it a policy to never sail anything that involves spending most of the time on the wrong side of the gunwales.
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Post by dirtyboy @ Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:58 am

ttwiggy wrote:I've always made it a policy to never sail anything that involves spending most of the time on the wrong side of the gunwales.


Age huh? Poor you
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Post by ttwiggy @ Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:10 am

dirtyboy wrote:
ttwiggy wrote:I've always made it a policy to never sail anything that involves spending most of the time on the wrong side of the gunwales.


Age huh? Poor you


Well, when me and the other OUTs * were gathered together on the banks of the Dart, the hoary old CPO ** told us that the aim of sailing was to stay inside the boat. I've carried that advice with me ever since.

* Look, I'm doing 'military abbreviations'. I'm just like Ginetta Girl!

** Here's another one!
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Post by Dirk @ Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:55 pm

Can't embed the video I'm afraid but
https://www.facebook.com/LandRoverBAR/videos/1098091980309470/

The next America's cup is going to be so awesome. And we have to be in with a better shot than in any of our lifetimes (save Cloggy who remembers the original of course)
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Post by Dirk @ Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:41 am

The british team race hull for the competition has been unveiled.

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Post by Disastrous @ Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:47 am

That is just awesome. A thing of engineered beauty.
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Post by CJ+ @ Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:56 am

Where's the bar? What kind of pointless boat doesn't have a bloody bar?

And toilets. You'll need a wee after all that beer.

Honestly. It's as if there's been no attention whatsoever paid to the details.
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Post by Käsemeister @ Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:04 pm

Or a poop deck
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Post by spast1kunt @ Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:12 pm

KM said poop.
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Post by Dirk @ Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:46 pm

BAR race boat (R1) takes to the water/air for the first time (from about 1 min in)

Original video page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSFFrGNY3OQ
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Post by Hooli @ Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:07 pm

Those things look mad when up on the wings/foils.
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Post by ttwiggy @ Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:46 pm

CJ+ wrote:And toilets.


Heads old chap, heads.
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Post by Disastrous @ Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:50 pm

I would love even just a passenger ride on one of these.

Very excited for it all to kick off. I was watching some of the chat about what Ainslie is like and apparently he's built a bit of a superb team. He seems to be falling the British Cycling/Team SKY approach of leaving nothing to chance and everyone seems to really rate him. Plus Martin Whitmarsh as CEO to worry about money and Adrian Newey to sculpt the boat and this has to be a superb opportunity...
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Re: America's Cup 2017

Post by Dirk @ Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:06 pm

I too would love a ride.

The world series proved that BAR have the best crew. So all the others know they need a better boat, which will probably encourage them to take more risks.

The Kiwis I see have replaced the winches with pedal power. Which seemed an obvious route, but all the others think not. So maybe that is one risk that Kiwis have taken.

The BAR race boat doesn't look balanced out of the blocks, its either nose down or a big jet-wash from the main foils. Hopefully either I am wrong or its an easy tweak (I suspect the latter is true anyway)
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Post by Monty @ Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:37 am

Wow !
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Re: America's Cup 2017

Post by Dirk @ Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:46 am

Dirk wrote:

The BAR race boat doesn't look balanced out of the blocks, its either nose down or a big jet-wash from the main foils. Hopefully either I am wrong or its an easy tweak (I suspect the latter is true anyway)

Seems I am wrong, apparently nose down is the way they will all be on some points of sail
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Post by Dirk @ Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:39 pm

For anyone who is interested but not following it, so far:

USA have capsized which is quite an issue in these things* (the day after they almost did so as well)*
USA skipper ran across the boat and failed to stop and fell overboard (today)*
USA crew member fell over the front and nearly got sliced by the foils some time ago*
Swedes dropped (i.e. it collapsed when sailing) the race standard wing (the big solid sail) over the side of their practice boat*
Ben Ainslie got a gust of wind when approaching the dock and sailing into it (the boats have replaceable bows so no great issue)*
ETNZ trashed a pair of race standard daggerboards (they are only allowed 2 sets and there are rules about replacing/changing them)

(videos of those marked with * available if anyone wants)
So when they start racing it could be chaotic


BAR were slow in practice races and struggling to stay on the foils
They certainly have got better staying on the foils - see video below from 15s in, though at the very end BAR lose it a bit.
Its not clear how their speed is improving or if it is better in the light winds that are now coming in (and will be more representative of the actual racing).
Original video page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8e60wHQ0aY&feature=youtu.be
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