General ELection 2017

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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Greg66 @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:22 am

Tokyo Sexwale wrote:
GingerNinja wrote:My view is that if you think Brexit is the most damaging and horrendous thing that is going to happen to this country for along time, you have to abandon all your prior political allegiances, and vote for LibDem. I know Farron is a horrible anti-gay God botherer, but the LibDems are the only party who appear to want to reverse Brexit. An elected government can be ejected in 5 years time if they're rubbish, the Brexit process is not once finalised. Forget the minutiae of the LDs policies - the only one that really matters in this election, is the Brexit decision.

ETA, that's if you're English, obvs.


How would/could they reverse brexit?


Withdraw our A50 notice.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Turntable @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:23 am

They are proposing another referendum after the final Brexit deal is negotiated.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Dirk @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:27 am

If (by some remote possibility) I reckon they would kill it altogether.

GN, I don't agree that would be the end of the matter though. I think it would make for very divisive politics for a long time and a lot of fall-out
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:29 am

Greg66 wrote:
Tokyo Sexwale wrote:
GingerNinja wrote:My view is that if you think Brexit is the most damaging and horrendous thing that is going to happen to this country for along time, you have to abandon all your prior political allegiances, and vote for LibDem. I know Farron is a horrible anti-gay God botherer, but the LibDems are the only party who appear to want to reverse Brexit. An elected government can be ejected in 5 years time if they're rubbish, the Brexit process is not once finalised. Forget the minutiae of the LDs policies - the only one that really matters in this election, is the Brexit decision.

ETA, that's if you're English, obvs.


How would/could they reverse brexit?


Withdraw our A50 notice.


I thought the A50 was final! This changes things although it's hard to imagine it being turned around now.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Strawman @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:33 am

President of the European Parliament Antonio Tajani

If the UK, after the election, wants to withdraw [article 50], then the procedure is very clear,If the UK wanted to stay, everybody would be in favour. I would be very happy.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eto-brexit
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by span @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:44 am

Strawman wrote:President of the European Parliament Antonio Tajani

If the UK, after the election, wants to withdraw [article 50], then the procedure is very clear,If the UK wanted to stay, everybody would be in favour. I would be very happy.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eto-brexit

I only saw that last night, like Tokes I had no idea that was possible after the letter was deliveredd.

The Guardian did a thing yesterday where they worked out if there was a perfect tactical vote to keep the tories out what would happen, and the conclusion was it was pretty hopeless.

I can't help but have the tiniest glimmer of hope - maybe if those flipping 18 - 25s put down their gameboys for one second and registered to vote, MAYBE we'd have a tiny chance?? I don't know, I suppose not...

Also I think that many of the leave voters who might have undone their vote two days later, are by now radicalised by the rest of us calling them nobheads, and have now self-convinced that someone like them surely didn't make a mistake, it must have been the right choice. So I'm not remotely convinced that a second referendum would yield drastically different results.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Strawman @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:12 am

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I've decided not to run the 100m in the next Olympics, it would be an easy win for me but I have other priorities right now
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Greg66 @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:16 am

span wrote:
Strawman wrote:President of the European Parliament Antonio Tajani

If the UK, after the election, wants to withdraw [article 50], then the procedure is very clear,If the UK wanted to stay, everybody would be in favour. I would be very happy.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eto-brexit

I only saw that last night, like Tokes I had no idea that was possible after the letter was deliveredd.

The Guardian did a thing yesterday where they worked out if there was a perfect tactical vote to keep the tories out what would happen, and the conclusion was it was pretty hopeless.

I can't help but have the tiniest glimmer of hope - maybe if those flipping 18 - 25s put down their gameboys for one second and registered to vote, MAYBE we'd have a tiny chance?? I don't know, I suppose not...

Also I think that many of the leave voters who might have undone their vote two days later, are by now radicalised by the rest of us calling them nobheads, and have now self-convinced that someone like them surely didn't make a mistake, it must have been the right choice. So I'm not remotely convinced that a second referendum would yield drastically different results.


There was some chatter preA50 about whether the UK could withdraw the A50 notice unilaterally after it had been delivered. Some said it could, most said it couldn't. But AFAIK everyone agreed that it could be withdrawn bilaterally (ie with the consent of the recipient).
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Darthdeathdealer @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:37 pm

Go, Jezza.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by thekungfury @ Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:26 pm

Strawman wrote:I've decided not to run the 100m in the next Olympics, it would be an easy win for me but I have other priorities right now

Laugh

Same for me in Formula 1 and other things that are easy for me
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Dirk @ Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:00 am

Darthdeathdealer wrote:Go, Jezza.

Could this be the endorsement that will win over CTF?

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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Greg66 @ Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:01 am

So Labour and the LDs avowedly want to raise taxes. The Cons are not "not ruling out" income tax NI and VAT rises. Everyone's looking to push taxes up in the future. Is this an indication of how heavily the shot is expected to hit the fan during Brexit?
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Dirk @ Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:21 pm

Not really. Labour and LDs always want push up taxes for wealthier. Tories have learned mot to commit.

Doesn't matter which economic theory you subscribe to, the correct response to impact of Brexit will not be to raise taxes. Brexit will lowe exports and so if GDP decreases keynsians would lower taxes. It will also deflate currency and thus cause inflation. So monetarists would raise interest rates. Etc

Furthermore, if hard Brexit we will save the net contribution to EU. Not as much ad kippers said , but still a fair amount. So that will reduce need for tax rises too.
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General ELection 2017

Post by Käsemeister @ Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:11 pm

Interesting angle coming from the Lefty Indy.

ETA - would help if I added the link.

https://edition.independent.co.uk/editi ... index.html
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by thekungfury @ Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:26 pm

Holy crap

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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Käsemeister @ Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:41 pm

surprised
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Dirk @ Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:23 pm

Käsemeister wrote:Interesting angle coming from the Lefty Indy.

ETA - would help if I added the link.

https://edition.independent.co.uk/editi ... index.html

Interesting as you say. Not least for the fact that it is in the independent
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by desertweasel @ Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:41 am

Dirk wrote:
Käsemeister wrote:Interesting angle coming from the Lefty Indy.

ETA - would help if I added the link.

https://edition.independent.co.uk/editi ... index.html

Interesting as you say. Not least for the fact that it is in the independent


It is interesting and does make some sense BUT it will take an enormous leap of faith in the face of evidence to date of the opposite, brexit means brexit, no deal better than bad deal, refusal to guarantee EU citizens rights etc etc

Problem with May is she wants to appear tough but seems to be almost paralysed with indecision and has shown a stunning ability to flip flop around perceived public opinion and whoever is shouting loudest at the time
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Strawman @ Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:15 am

More details on the Farrage ->Assange -> Russia -> Trump cycle of subversion here

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... an-assange
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by thekungfury @ Tue May 02, 2017 4:05 pm

Diane Abbott. Christ she's so awful

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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Tue May 02, 2017 4:19 pm

I was listening to that earlier. Just awful and I loved it.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Rod Rammage @ Tue May 02, 2017 4:28 pm

That's hilarious.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Turntable @ Tue May 02, 2017 4:29 pm

My favourite line in that was "Since Jermey Corbyn became leader that money has been promised to reverse cuts in (insert 15 different things)."
It's not even a mistake. They just lie to idiots in exactly the same way as UKIP.
"Look, we can do all these amazing things. Why wouldn't you vote for us to employ 100000 nurses and pay all of them 20% more. We give everyone a million pounds just by asking UK ogliarchs to pay a bit more. It's a no-brainer"
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Disastrous @ Tue May 02, 2017 4:47 pm

Listened earlier. God, she's beyond stupid, isn't she? I also popped into her Twitter hoping to see her being hounded but was disappointed to discover she's not answered any of the mocking tweets at all, the coward.

She's the same as the Green Party woman IMO.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by spast1kunt @ Tue May 02, 2017 6:15 pm

DA - "I think you said that, not me"

Lol.

My stepfather does that too, when he's said something wrong. He did it to me the other week when I said the British canal network began being dug in the 18th century and he was saying it was the 19th century, then he just said "I said the 18th century, it was you that said the 19th century" which left me speechless at his sheer audacity and wishing I had taped the entire conversation, which I think I'll have to do from now on.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Pigeon @ Tue May 02, 2017 6:22 pm

It always confuses the fcuk out of me that the Bridgewater canal is not in Somerset, but fcuking Manchester, miles and miles away from where it ought to be.

Diane Abbott, isn't she the really fat woman who used to do a TV show with Michael Portillo? She was a tw@t of the first water on that.
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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by spast1kunt @ Tue May 02, 2017 6:29 pm

Pigeon wrote:It always confuses the fcuk out of me that the Bridgewater canal is not in Somerset, but fcuking Manchester, miles and miles away from where it ought to be.

Lord Pembroke lives in Salisbury, Wiltshire.

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Re: General ELection 2017

Post by Hooli @ Tue May 02, 2017 7:17 pm

DA has always amazed me, why was she not laughed out the party the first time she tried to run for a seat?
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Re: General ELection 2017

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Re: General ELection 2017

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