EU - In/Out

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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Strawman @ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:19 pm

I am confident though, he can bluster all he wants, the Republican convention was almost empty, he has no money left, as the eye of publicity focuses on how empty his promises are he will crumble away a bit like the wizard in the wizard of OZ but without the upbeat ending.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by whyohwhy @ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:37 pm

Strawman wrote:I am confident though, he can bluster all he wants, the Republican convention was almost empty, he has no money left, as the eye of publicity focuses on how empty his promises are he will crumble away a bit like the wizard in the wizard of OZ but without the upbeat ending.


I hope you are right, but you also have to take into account the anti Clinton vote that may come his way.

Oh and the Reed figures were 8% up on the same time last year
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Strawman @ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:59 pm

whyohwhy wrote:I hope you are right, but you also have to take into account the anti Clinton vote that may come his way.

Yes she isn't that inspiring a candidate, but would be the first 'Merkin female president ever, FWIW. Versus one of the only people to ever lose money running a casino.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by thekungfury @ Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:21 pm

I'm not so sure about Trump losing. Polls have them pretty much neck and neck atm. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Racial tensions, cops being shot and Muslim mass murders could push it over the edge. Anti-establishment sentiment and the recent desire to ignore "experts" is a worrying trend.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Greg66 @ Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:44 pm

This is more reassuring. And has a good track record.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Hooli @ Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:48 pm

whyohwhy wrote:Would probably work better if it was seen as OUR country

Tolerance both ways would help as well. I think anyone coming to the UK should be able to learn English. Otherwise having different cultures working and living together is a good thing in theory. The problem is in practice this doesn't always work as some people are scared of things they don't know or understand.

Our country shouldn't have to change its laws to suit a minority religion or section of the population if it negatively affects the majority

National pride shouldn't be seen as a negative thing unless it is used in a damaging way. A example of good would be England Rugby fans, an example of bad English football fans.

Only my two pence worth


I can't really argue with that post.


As to the gay thing, as I've said a few times before my OPINION is it's wrong. Most of you lot have a different opinion, that's all. You do know that 'all closet gays pretend to hate gays' thing came from a radio interview with some bloke who said it jokingly don't you? there is no basis for it.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by moleamol @ Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:20 am

Hooli wrote:You do know that 'all closet gays pretend to hate gays' thing came from a radio interview with some bloke who said it jokingly don't you? there is no basis for it.

SO GAY!
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Strawman @ Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:27 am

Not EU really related, apart form Trumps new plan to give Baltic states back to Russia unless they pay the US a ransom. But I love this photo

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What's Cristiano Ronaldo doing there?
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Deuteronomy @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:30 am

Sigh.

Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009, data suggests

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by GingerNinja @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:02 pm

Deuteronomy wrote:Sigh.

Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009, data suggests

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

Ooooh, that's citing data from my company as proof. Technically wrong though as we're now IHS Markit after the merger this month.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by whyohwhy @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:57 pm

GingerNinja wrote:
Deuteronomy wrote:Sigh.

Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009, data suggests

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

Ooooh, that's citing data from my company as proof. Technically wrong though as we're now IHS Markit after the merger this month.


"New UK Chancellor Philip Hammond has played down a closely-watched survey of business managers, which suggested that there was a sharp fall in business activity since the Brext vote.

The survey of purchasing managers, by Markit, pushed sterling down by more than a cent against the dollar.

Mr Hammond, on a visit to China, said: "Let's be clear, the PMI data is a measure of sentiment, it's not a measure of any hard activity in the economy. What it tells us is business confidence has been dented, they're not sure, they're in a period of uncertainty now."

So what didn't we know.

We are in a period of uncertainty, other than the certain fact that a load of greasy bankers will be capitalising on the volatility of the £ and making money

When do we get around to doing something rather than just flapping hands and going oh dear
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:11 pm

whyohwhy wrote:When do we get around to doing something rather than just flapping hands and going oh dear

Love comments like this.

What do you think should have and could have happened in a month other than the PM resigning, a new campaign for a new PM, a new cabinet being formed, a breakdown of the opposition and endless meeting regarding the exit strategy of the EU to name but a fraction?
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Käsemeister @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:11 pm

And in all that time Labour have managed to think about having a leadership campaign. But not actually done it. Impressive.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Dirk @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:18 pm

Käsemeister wrote:And in all that time Labour have managed to think about having a leadership campaign. But not actually done it. Impressive.

To be fair, they have been busy intimidating opponents, taking counsel as to whether their leader can stand in a challenge to him; voting on same issue; complaining about each other etc.

Whereas the Libdems have been busy with
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by whyohwhy @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:22 pm

whyohwhy wrote:
GingerNinja wrote:
Deuteronomy wrote:Sigh.

Brexit plunges UK economy to worst level since 2009, data suggests

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

Ooooh, that's citing data from my company as proof. Technically wrong though as we're now IHS Markit after the merger this month.


"New UK Chancellor Philip Hammond has played down a closely-watched survey of business managers, which suggested that there was a sharp fall in business activity since the Brext vote.

The survey of purchasing managers, by Markit, pushed sterling down by more than a cent against the dollar.

Mr Hammond, on a visit to China, said: "Let's be clear, the PMI data is a measure of sentiment, it's not a measure of any hard activity in the economy. What it tells us is business confidence has been dented, they're not sure, they're in a period of uncertainty now."

So what didn't we know.

We are in a period of uncertainty, other than the certain fact that a load of greasy bankers will be capitalising on the volatility of the £ and making money

When do we get around to doing something rather than just flapping hands and going oh dear


It would have been more beneficial if we had never had the referendum
Having promised it DC should along with his chancellor have remained neutral and looked after the countries future protecting us either way.
By not being seen as pro in or out the city would have seen a strong leadership with an eye on making sure whatever happened they had a plan.

Stupid idea managed by arrogant people who have fcuked things up because of their own vanity.

Leaving the EU shouldn't be the end of the world because I've a funny feeling we are the first of many
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Dirk @ Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:50 pm

French will definitely not help us. I only found out earlier that no French rider had even won a stage of the TdF until today. That'll piss them off
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Strawman @ Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:42 pm

Bob Mortimer wrote:If we knew who voted Brexit we could alter their tax code to help pay the cost. In return they could get exclusive footage of deportations
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Strawman @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:08 am

So it's been a while since the vote, any sign of any progress towards leaving, apart from "Brexit means Brexit"

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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Deuteronomy @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:44 am

Laugh - scarily accurate
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by thekungfury @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:24 am

I was chatting with a foreign recently and he said "It's obvious what you'll do. Wait as long as possible to do your Article 50 and then drag out the negotiations for a further 2yrs. There won't be a plan in place in 2yrs because EU won't give you a better deal than you had. So there will be a last minute scramble, you'll pay in just as much as you did and agree to full immigration. By then the Leave voters will either be dead or too thick to realise they've been screwed over."

I think he's right and I'm pretty much fine with that.

My worry is during these next 2-3yrs investment will dry up. Speaking to customers and friends who own businesses nobody is investing. Everything is on hold for the time being and we could easily slip into a recession.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Disastrous @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:28 am

thekungfury wrote:I was chatting with a foreign recently and he said "It's obvious what you'll do. Wait as long as possible to do your Article 50 and then drag out the negotiations for a further 2yrs. There won't be a plan in place in 2yrs because EU won't give you a better deal than you had. So there will be a last minute scramble, you'll pay in just as much as you did and agree to full immigration. By then the Leave voters will either be dead or too thick to realise they've been screwed over."

I think he's right and I'm pretty much fine with that.

My worry is during these next 2-3yrs investment will dry up. Speaking to customers and friends who own businesses nobody is investing. Everything is on hold for the time being and we could easily slip into a recession.



Agree with all of that. My anecdotal experience suggests the same and that just the act of voting out has done a bit of damage.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Deuteronomy @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:48 am

Disastrous wrote:
thekungfury wrote:I was chatting with a foreign recently and he said "It's obvious what you'll do. Wait as long as possible to do your Article 50 and then drag out the negotiations for a further 2yrs. There won't be a plan in place in 2yrs because EU won't give you a better deal than you had. So there will be a last minute scramble, you'll pay in just as much as you did and agree to full immigration. By then the Leave voters will either be dead or too thick to realise they've been screwed over."

I think he's right and I'm pretty much fine with that.

My worry is during these next 2-3yrs investment will dry up. Speaking to customers and friends who own businesses nobody is investing. Everything is on hold for the time being and we could easily slip into a recession.



Agree with all of that. My anecdotal experience suggests the same and that just the act of voting out has done a bit of damage.


Same - uncertainty is a killer.

We need a proposal on the table to take to a parliamentary vote, that way MP's (assuming the deal is shit) can legitimately vote it down without creating a constitutional crisis.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by CJ+ @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:03 pm

And yet over in PH-Land, "brexit is a massive fcukup" has been put firmly on the pile marked "Stuff agreed by the vast majority of experts, scientists, and rational people, yet with which we massively disagree, based on what we'd really like to be true".

See also: climate change.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by ttwiggy @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:20 pm

CJ+ wrote:And yet over in PH-Land, "brexit is a massive fcukup" has been put firmly on the pile marked "Stuff agreed by the vast majority of experts, scientists, and rational people, yet with which we massively disagree, based on what we'd really like to be true".

See also: climate change.


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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by thekungfury @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:22 pm

Deuteronomy wrote:We need a proposal on the table to take to a parliamentary vote, that way MP's (assuming the deal is shit) can legitimately vote it down without creating a constitutional crisis.

You need to stop clinging onto this possibility because it will never, ever happen.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Deuteronomy @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:42 pm

thekungfury wrote:
Deuteronomy wrote:We need a proposal on the table to take to a parliamentary vote, that way MP's (assuming the deal is shit) can legitimately vote it down without creating a constitutional crisis.

You need to stop clinging onto this possibility because it will never, ever happen.


I know, but I still can't accept that this country has voted for Brexit.

It's like some satirical comedy where all the players are caricatures of themselves.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by CJ+ @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:49 pm

Deuteronomy wrote:
thekungfury wrote:
Deuteronomy wrote:We need a proposal on the table to take to a parliamentary vote, that way MP's (assuming the deal is shit) can legitimately vote it down without creating a constitutional crisis.

You need to stop clinging onto this possibility because it will never, ever happen.


I know, but I still can't accept that this country has voted for Brexit.

It's like some satirical comedy where all the players are caricatures of themselves.

Or a website where half the blokes are currently sitting around debating the merits of drinking spunk vs. sucking cocks.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Strawman @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:22 pm

whyohwhy wrote:
Strawman wrote:I am confident though, he can bluster all he wants, the Republican convention was almost empty, he has no money left, as the eye of publicity focuses on how empty his promises are he will crumble away a bit like the wizard in the wizard of OZ but without the upbeat ending.


I hope you are right, but you also have to take into account the anti Clinton vote that may come his way.

Oh and the Reed figures were 8% up on the same time last year


Didn't expect to see this so soon, but Trump's breakdown is now in full swing.
Current polling

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Turntable @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:03 pm

Deuteronomy wrote:
thekungfury wrote:
Deuteronomy wrote:We need a proposal on the table to take to a parliamentary vote, that way MP's (assuming the deal is shit) can legitimately vote it down without creating a constitutional crisis.

You need to stop clinging onto this possibility because it will never, ever happen.


I know, but I still can't accept that this country has voted for Brexit.

It's like some satirical comedy where all the players are caricatures of themselves.



Same here. Reading today that the economy has contracted since brexit making official recession increasingly likely (inevitable), it seems unreal to me that the Government doesn't say "Right, now you know for a FACT that all the Brexit promises were lies, and that all these views from so-called experts were actually reliable, have a chance to re-vote on the truth.
Or to look at it another way: Say hypothetically that 3/4 the country no longer wanted brexit, the government didn't want brexit and the world didn't want brexit, it seems like insanity that we don't reverse it.
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Re: EU - In/Out

Post by Doctor Congo @ Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:19 pm

Turntable wrote:
Deuteronomy wrote:
thekungfury wrote:
Deuteronomy wrote:We need a proposal on the table to take to a parliamentary vote, that way MP's (assuming the deal is shit) can legitimately vote it down without creating a constitutional crisis.

You need to stop clinging onto this possibility because it will never, ever happen.


I know, but I still can't accept that this country has voted for Brexit.

It's like some satirical comedy where all the players are caricatures of themselves.



Same here. Reading today that the economy has contracted since brexit making official recession increasingly likely (inevitable), it seems unreal to me that the Government doesn't say "Right, now you know for a FACT that all the Brexit promises were lies, and that all these views from so-called experts were actually reliable, have a chance to re-vote on the truth.
Or to look at it another way: Say hypothetically that 3/4 the country no longer wanted brexit, the government didn't want brexit and the world didn't want brexit, it seems like insanity that we don't reverse it.


Ah, but democracy!
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