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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Disastrous @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:01 pm

CJ+ wrote:What has to break inside your head to make you spend £31K on a Passat?



Good enough to post in response, I reckon!
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by CJ+ @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:07 pm

Disastrous wrote:
CJ+ wrote:What has to break inside your head to make you spend £31K on a Passat?



Good enough to post in response, I reckon!

Just tried, but then it wanted me to register, so fcuk that.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Strawman @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:13 pm

Ages ago we had a competition to see who could get the most down votes for a DailyMail comment we posted, I registered then and now every time I open a DM link it greets me with a "welcome back" then my name. I'm worried this might give me shame cancer.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by CJ+ @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:16 pm

Strawman wrote:Ages ago we had a competition to see who could get the most down votes for a DailyMail comment we posted, I registered then and now every time I open a DM link it greets me with a "welcome back" then my name. I'm worried this might give me shame cancer.

Go and post my words then!
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Otto Sump @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:25 pm

Is it me, or does she look like a ventriloquist's dummy?

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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by CJ+ @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:29 pm

Otto Sump wrote:Is it me, or does she look like a ventriloquist's dummy?

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Careful, you'll give Rod a new (probably) fantasy scenario.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Otto Sump @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:39 pm

CJ+ wrote:Careful, you'll give Rod a new (probably) fantasy scenario.


He'll have to join the queue.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by CJ+ @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:51 pm

Otto Sump wrote:
CJ+ wrote:Careful, you'll give Rod a new (probably) fantasy scenario.


He'll have to join the queue.

You already have a fantasy scenario involving an Angela Merkel ventriloquist's dummy?

Original video page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HVWitAW-Qg
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Otto Sump @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:55 pm

CJ+ wrote:You already have a fantasy scenario involving an Angela Merkel ventriloquist's dummy?


Your tone suggests this is not a normal thing.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Doctor Congo @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:26 pm

The lines going from the corners of her mouth down are called marionette lines. Hence ventriloquists dummy
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Rod Rammage @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:56 pm

Here are two positives:

1. We have pissed off Juncker, the threatening Dutch shit, also Martin Schultz and that other EU wanker. fcuk off you bunch of cnuts! We'll take as long as we like!

2. We are now holding a gun to the EUs head. fcuk off Juncker you wanker!

Britain wins!
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by minimoog @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:58 pm

Rod Rammage wrote:Here are two positives:

1. We have pissed off Juncker, the threatening Dutch shit, also Martin Schultz and that other EU wanker. fcuk off you bunch of cnuts! We'll take as long as we like!

2. We are now holding a gun to the EUs head. fcuk off Juncker you wanker!

Britain wins!


Hi Turbobloke! :wave:
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Cloggy @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:53 pm

Rod Rammage wrote:Here are two positives:

1. We have pissed off Juncker, the threatening Dutch shit, also Martin Schultz and that other EU wanker. fcuk off you bunch of cnuts! We'll take as long as we like!

2. We are now holding a gun to the EUs head. fcuk off Juncker you wanker!

Britain wins!

Juncker is from Luxembourg ROD, the cnut is NOT Dutch.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Rod Rammage @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:18 pm

Cloggy wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Here are two positives:

1. We have pissed off Juncker, the threatening Dutch shit, also Martin Schultz and that other EU wanker. fcuk off you bunch of cnuts! We'll take as long as we like!

2. We are now holding a gun to the EUs head. fcuk off Juncker you wanker!

Britain wins!

Juncker is from Luxembourg ROD, the cnut is NOT Dutch.


I actually thought he was German until I found out he wasn't dutch.

The Luxemburgerish snarky tw@t!
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by CJ+ @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:24 pm

Cloggy wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Here are two positives:

1. We have pissed off Juncker, the threatening Dutch shit, also Martin Schultz and that other EU wanker. fcuk off you bunch of cnuts! We'll take as long as we like!

2. We are now holding a gun to the EUs head. fcuk off Juncker you wanker!

Britain wins!

Juncker is from Luxembourg ROD, the cnut is NOT Dutch.

I reckon if you glued Luxembourg, Netherhollands and Belgium together, you'd be halfway to making a proper country.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Cloggy @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:25 pm

CJ+ wrote:
Cloggy wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Here are two positives:

1. We have pissed off Juncker, the threatening Dutch shit, also Martin Schultz and that other EU wanker. fcuk off you bunch of cnuts! We'll take as long as we like!

2. We are now holding a gun to the EUs head. fcuk off Juncker you wanker!

Britain wins!

Juncker is from Luxembourg ROD, the cnut is NOT Dutch.

I reckon if you glued Luxembourg, Netherhollands and Belgium together, you'd be halfway to making a proper country.

You mean like the Benelux ?
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Rod Rammage @ Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:27 pm

Cloggy wrote:You mean like the Benelux ?


Sounds like something I might wash my thongs in to get the stains out. Naturally it wouldn't work and I'd have to get the council to take them away.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Dirk @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:32 am

Reduced corporation tax.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36699642

Good for entrepreneurs like TT, deuts, me. No good for public sector shirkers like Tokes though.

Economically it makes perfect sense (far more so than his threat to raise taxes before the referendum). But it may piss the EU off even more
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Strawman @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:38 am

Dirk wrote:Economically it makes perfect sense (far more so than his threat to raise taxes before the referendum).


Arguable, if you have an economy that depends more on income tax and stamp duty for government revenue than corporation tax, like Ireland, when the economy takes a dive like it did in 2008 there is very little the government can do to avoid swinging austerity. Even when the export economy is growing at a healthy rate like it was in Ireland in 2009, 2010 etc. government revenue remained largely static.
ETA- Also the almost the whole of the last GE was fought on the basis that government spending would allow a surplus by 2020, this has now been abandoned, cutting taxes put this possibilty further into the future

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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Doctor Congo @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:38 am

Dirk wrote:Reduced corporation tax.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36699642

Good for entrepreneurs like TT, deuts, me. No good for public sector shirkers like Tokes though.

Economically it makes perfect sense (far more so than his threat to raise taxes before the referendum). But it may piss the EU off even more


Do we know when this will happen?
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by CJ+ @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:40 am

Dirk wrote:Reduced corporation tax.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36699642

Good for entrepreneurs like TT, deuts, me. No good for public sector shirkers like Tokes though.

Economically it makes perfect sense (far more so than his threat to raise taxes before the referendum). But it may piss the EU off even more

Something about doors and stables and horses.

The right thing to do would have been, when the shit was hitting the fan in 2010, some massive infrastructure projects - the one that leaps most readily to mind is to make the A1 a full at-least-three-lanes motorway all the way from London to Edinburgh, but anything would do - because the last thing you need to do to an economy in free-fall is kick it in the bollocks whilst pandering to your own voters who can't understand that the debt of a sovereign economy with its own currency really isn't anything at all like you and your credit card bill.

Which brings me back to something about doors and stables and horses, I suppose.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Dirk @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:47 am

Strawman wrote:
Dirk wrote:Economically it makes perfect sense (far more so than his threat to raise taxes before the referendum).


Arguable, if you have an economy that depends more on income tax and stamp duty for government revenue than corporation tax, like Ireland, when the economy takes a dive like it did in 2008 there is very little the government can do to avoid swinging austerity. Even when the export economy is growing at a healthy rate like it was in Ireland in 2009, 2010 etc. government revenue remained largely static.
ETA- Also the almost the whole of the last GE was fought on the basis that government spending would allow a surplus by 2020, this has now been abandoned, cutting taxes put this possibilty further into the future



It makes sense because
a) the net contribution to Eu was £8.5bn. So to maintain the same macro-economic profile we need to cut taxes or increase spending to keep the same economic plans. Cutting corp tax from the (already planned) 17% to 15% will be part of that (approx £4.5bn) - note not the whole £8.5bn because we don't know yet if we will contribute some via EFTA etc.

b) The main risk to Brexit is companies leaving. This will help persuade them not to.

So it uses one advantage of Brexit to try and mitigate one disadvantage. Completely sensible

Dr C- No indication of timing, but one would expect some part of it to feed in over next 2 years as exit happens
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Dirk @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:49 am

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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Strawman @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:53 am

Dirk wrote:It makes sense because
a) the net contribution to Eu was £8.5bn. So to maintain the same macro-economic profile we need to cut taxes or increase spending to keep the same economic plans. Cutting corp tax from the (already planned) 17% to 15% will be part of that (approx £4.5bn) - note not the whole £8.5bn because we don't know yet if we will contribute some via EFTA etc.


Norway pays a similar rate to the UK as part of it's EFTA, no reason to believe the UK would be offered a lower rate than Norway. If the UK economy shrinks by 0.5% that is the equivalent to the government losing the EU contribution in revenue, most projections are for a much larger than 0.5% drop. Cut corporate tax and revenues drop even further. National debt keeps on increasing, exponentially this time.
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Dirk @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:15 am

Strawman wrote:
Dirk wrote:It makes sense because
a) the net contribution to Eu was £8.5bn. So to maintain the same macro-economic profile we need to cut taxes or increase spending to keep the same economic plans. Cutting corp tax from the (already planned) 17% to 15% will be part of that (approx £4.5bn) - note not the whole £8.5bn because we don't know yet if we will contribute some via EFTA etc.


Norway pays a similar rate to the UK as part of it's EFTA, no reason to believe the UK would be offered a lower rate than Norway. If the UK economy shrinks by 0.5% that is the equivalent to the government losing the EU contribution in revenue, most projections are for a much larger than 0.5% drop. Cut corporate tax and revenues drop even further. National debt keeps on increasing, exponentially this time.

Norway pays significantly less per capita - about 30% less IIRC. And dropping corp tax will mean that GDP will not decrease as much as it would otherwise.

We need to cut some taxes in order to maintain a steady fiscal policy. It would be bizarre to decide to go for a more contractionary fiscal policy at the time of leaving - which changing nothing in taxation would be
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Deuteronomy @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:20 am

Some good news at least:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

Farage has quit.

(Again)
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Dirk @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:21 am

Deuteronomy wrote:Some good news at least:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

Farage has quit.

(Again)

Thank fcuk for that. Hopefully he will no disappear into obscurity and I will never have to see his smug annoying face again
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by thekungfury @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:21 am

Deuteronomy wrote:Some good news at least:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

Farage has quit.

(Again)

Ha!
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by Strawman @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:21 am

Dirk wrote:Norway pays significantly less per capita - about 30% less IIRC.


Link, this link says Norway pays more (£119 per person versus the current UK rate of £96 per person)
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Re: Positives to leaving the EU

Post by minimoog @ Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:22 am

Deuteronomy wrote:Some good news at least:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

Farage has quit.

(Again)


James Brown used to the leave the stage in more convincing fashion.
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