CTF Exit Poll

Do you have difficulty sustaining your election?

I cast my vote for:

Labour
10
25%
Conservative
10
25%
Liberal Democrat
12
30%
Green
1
3%
SNP
1
3%
UKIP
1
3%
DUP
0
No votes
Alliance
1
3%
Sinn Fein
1
3%
Ulster Unionists
0
No votes
SDLP
0
No votes
Something fringe-y like Socialist Labour (say so below)
0
No votes
A joke party, like the Monster Raving Loony Party
0
No votes
Spoilt ballot
3
8%
 
Total votes : 40

Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Clown Ice Skater #4 @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:07 am

CJ+ wrote:
Turntable wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Do you buy all this about how people fought and died for your right to vote, etc, so you HAVE to vote?
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I very much buy it, although I also feel equally strong that it is ridiculous to push people to vote if they genuinely don't have a preference or aren't interested. A vote 'for the sake of it' almost feels anti-democratic to me because it doesn't actually represent what people want.

Typical handwringing snowflake behaviour from you TT :D

Some things are not about what you want or would like or fancy doing. Some things are your civic duty, and if you don't like it, fcuk off to Somalia where you very much don't have to vote.

Yes, I would make voting compulsory. Spoil your ballot if you like, but turning up and participating is, for me, part of the social contract between me and The State.


I would make it compulsory too. It gives me the rage when I hear people saying 'oh I can't be bothered/don't know who to vote for/politicians are all the same!' then whinge about the state of the country.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Turntable @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:14 am

CJ+ wrote:
Turntable wrote:
Rod Rammage wrote:Do you buy all this about how people fought and died for your right to vote, etc, so you HAVE to vote?
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I very much buy it, although I also feel equally strong that it is ridiculous to push people to vote if they genuinely don't have a preference or aren't interested. A vote 'for the sake of it' almost feels anti-democratic to me because it doesn't actually represent what people want.

Typical handwringing snowflake behaviour from you TT :D

Some things are not about what you want or would like or fancy doing. Some things are your civic duty, and if you don't like it, fcuk off to Somalia where you very much don't have to vote.

Yes, I would make voting compulsory. Spoil your ballot if you like, but turning up and participating is, for me, part of the social contract between me and The State.


Are you joking? You don't think someone should have a right not to vote in a free country?
I disagree strongly. Naturally I agree with the thought that it is your civic duty to care and people should be interested and should educate themselves as to a political preference but insisting someone is interested in politics if they aren't is crazy and is counter productive
Again, to reiterate, the thought of forcing someone to vote if they don't want to is the antithesis of a democratic free country
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Turntable @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:19 am

Clown Ice Skater #4 wrote:I would make it compulsory too. It gives me the rage when I hear people saying 'oh I can't be bothered/don't know who to vote for/politicians are all the same!' then whinge about the state of the country.


What do you think would be achieved by forcing the 35% of people who don't care enough to vote? TO me it would be the equivalent of tossing a coin to decide who wins. That 35% is going to change the course of the election and the winning party would be decided on a poll booth whim by people who neither understand or care. Absolutely terrifying thought.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by minimoog @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:22 am

Turntable wrote:Are you joking? You don't think someone should have a right not to vote in a free country?
I disagree strongly. Naturally I agree with the thought that it is your civic duty to care and people should be interested and should educate themselves as to a political preference but insisting someone is interested in politics if they aren't is crazy and is counter productive
Again, to reiterate, the thought of forcing someone to vote if they don't want to is the antithesis of a democratic free country


It's compulsory in that notable antithesis of democracy, Australia.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by CJ+ @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:32 am

Of course I'm not joking. The State makes us do lots of things already - pay tax, don't murder people, keep your trousers on in public - so I don't think that there's any hardship in adding something that would actually make our democracy more functional.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Clown Ice Skater #4 @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:34 am

Turntable wrote:
Clown Ice Skater #4 wrote:I would make it compulsory too. It gives me the rage when I hear people saying 'oh I can't be bothered/don't know who to vote for/politicians are all the same!' then whinge about the state of the country.


What do you think would be achieved by forcing the 35% of people who don't care enough to vote? TO me it would be the equivalent of tossing a coin to decide who wins. That 35% is going to change the course of the election and the winning party would be decided on a poll booth whim by people who neither understand or care. Absolutely terrifying thought.


Then they should be able to actively abstain which would still require some action on their part. I get where you're coming from about compulsory voting being the antithesis of a democracy and to a certain extent I agree, but the apathy people seem to have around thinking for themselves is terrifying. Like ceej, there's a bit of me that thinks it's a civic duty.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Disastrous @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:36 am

My worry is that a lot of people who don't vote are the wilfully thick and that by making them vote, they won't vote the way I want them to and that is NOT democracy.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Damien Thorn @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:44 am

Disastrous wrote:My worry is that a lot of people who don't vote are the wilfully thick and that by making them vote, they won't vote the way I want them to and that is NOT democracy.

I agree with bits of what everybody says, and think the civic morality and apathy should collide in a registered abstention.

So you have to vote, but if you don't want to vote you have to 'officially' abstain.

It might make people more engaged in making a decision, if even allowing them to not make a decision means they have to go to the polls anyway.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by CJ+ @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:46 am

Disastrous wrote:My worry is that a lot of people who don't vote are the wilfully thick and that by making them vote, they won't vote the way I want them to and that is NOT democracy.

When I'm His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ceej, Eternal Imperator General and Dictator-For-Life Of All The Yorkshires And The Dominions Therein, you'll vote the way I want and like it.

Fair and balanced, all the way.

Or the salt mines.

Your choice.

Freedom!
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by CJ+ @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:46 am

Spoiling your ballot is a perfectly acceptable choice - they get counted too.

>wishes he'd written "...is a cnut" in each box, now<
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Turntable @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:03 pm

Clown Ice Skater #4 wrote:
Turntable wrote:
Clown Ice Skater #4 wrote:I would make it compulsory too. It gives me the rage when I hear people saying 'oh I can't be bothered/don't know who to vote for/politicians are all the same!' then whinge about the state of the country.


What do you think would be achieved by forcing the 35% of people who don't care enough to vote? TO me it would be the equivalent of tossing a coin to decide who wins. That 35% is going to change the course of the election and the winning party would be decided on a poll booth whim by people who neither understand or care. Absolutely terrifying thought.


Then they should be able to actively abstain which would still require some action on their part. I get where you're coming from about compulsory voting being the antithesis of a democracy and to a certain extent I agree, but the apathy people seem to have around thinking for themselves is terrifying. Like ceej, there's a bit of me that thinks it's a civic duty.


On the whole I agree with you both, it's just I think you are more idealistic than me and conversely I am more realistic.
So yes, the idea of 35% of the people spoiling their vote and actually making it clear the party's are not engaging with them is lovely, but I am certain the realistic conclusion to such a system is 5% of them spoiling their vote and 30% of them leaving the polling booths sniggering because they think it is funny to vote for Krusty the Clown. The thought of the kind of people who are too stupid, childish or indifferent to care deciding our future is not something that appeals to me even remotely
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by tanglerat @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:34 pm

Vote for the Shinners. It doesn't matter what their policies are, any that get elected don't take up their destination in Westminster.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by CJ+ @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:40 pm

Question for Norn Irons. Now we've got a vote each for Sinn Fein and the Alliance, do you guys have to have a fight?
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Stu @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:01 pm

CJ+ wrote:Question for Norn Irons. Now we've got a vote each for Sinn Fein and the Alliance, do you guys have to have a fight?


I thought I was in a minority of one... evidently not

Unionist/Nationalist affiliation aside, the 2 main parties are useless imo. Scandal hit DUP with their outdated opinions from the dark ages, and SF... what's the point in voting for a representative that won't represent in parliament?
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by CJ+ @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:04 pm

Stu wrote:
CJ+ wrote:Question for Norn Irons. Now we've got a vote each for Sinn Fein and the Alliance, do you guys have to have a fight?


I thought I was in a minority of one... evidently not

Unionist/Nationalist affiliation aside, the 2 main parties are useless imo. Scandal hit DUP with their outdated opinions from the dark ages, and SF... what's the point in voting for a representative that won't represent in parliament?

Hmm, interesting. >strokes chin<

But do you have to have a fight?
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Stu @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:10 pm

CJ+ wrote:
Stu wrote:
CJ+ wrote:Question for Norn Irons. Now we've got a vote each for Sinn Fein and the Alliance, do you guys have to have a fight?


I thought I was in a minority of one... evidently not

Unionist/Nationalist affiliation aside, the 2 main parties are useless imo. Scandal hit DUP with their outdated opinions from the dark ages, and SF... what's the point in voting for a representative that won't represent in parliament?

Hmm, interesting. >strokes chin<

But do you have to have a fight?


Not at all... can just arrange for a death threat instead
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:16 pm

I've just voted. As a capitalist student looking to work in the public sector I'm difficult to please.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Dirk @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:43 pm

Rod Rammage wrote:Do you buy all this about how people fought and died for your right to vote, etc, so you HAVE to vote?

Because afark no one actually did fight and die, it just kind of "happened", except for Emily Pankhurst, and she didn't actually fight. She did die, however, but only because she ran in front of a horse if you recall, which was rather reckless.

I recall that Emily Davison did that, not Pankhurst
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by tanglerat @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:51 pm

Stu wrote:
CJ+ wrote:
Stu wrote:
CJ+ wrote:Question for Norn Irons. Now we've got a vote each for Sinn Fein and the Alliance, do you guys have to have a fight?


I thought I was in a minority of one... evidently not

Unionist/Nationalist affiliation aside, the 2 main parties are useless imo. Scandal hit DUP with their outdated opinions from the dark ages, and SF... what's the point in voting for a representative that won't represent in parliament?

Hmm, interesting. >strokes chin<

But do you have to have a fight?


Not at all... can just arrange for a death threat instead


What, a death threat from The Alliance?

Who's going to take that seriously? They'll be too busy laughing.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Dirk @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:56 pm

Well there goes the neighbourhood.

Thanks a bunch CJ
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:38 pm

Tokyo Sexwale wrote:I've just voted. As a capitalist student looking to work in the public sector I'm difficult to please.

I'm equally difficult to please it seems, what with being an average Joe not wanting to monumentally fcuk everything up.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Dirk @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:40 pm

Careless Whisperer wrote:
Tokyo Sexwale wrote:I've just voted. As a capitalist student looking to work in the public sector I'm difficult to please.

I'm equally difficult to please it seems, what with being an average Joe not wanting to monumentally fcuk everything up.

I'm no easier to please - just a lot clearer on who would fcuk things up most

Though I'm well above average
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Strawman @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:18 pm

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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by thekungfury @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:37 pm

Compulsory voting is a terrible idea. It's already a popularity contest and if it was mandatory there would simply be a long list of populist bullshit, even worse than normal.

Ticked the LD box. Symbolic in my ward, but felt better doing it.
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Re: CTF Exit Poll

Post by Freddie @ Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:31 pm

thekungfury wrote:Compulsory voting is a terrible idea. It's already a popularity contest and if it was mandatory there would simply be a long list of populist bullshit, even worse than normal.

Ticked the LD box. Symbolic in my ward, but felt better doing it.


Same for me. Couldn't stomach the Labour shenanigans or May's strong and stable bullshit.
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