Porn: Right, wrong or otherwise?

Porn: Right, wrong or otherwise?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:52 pm

Semi serious discussion rather than pictures pleas e- we all know what porn looks like. If you don't, Google it and come back here to discuss your thoughts.

This is something that I find often gets a lot of different opinions going. Some people love it, some hate it, some thing it undermines feminism and exploits women in abominable ways and is the next worst thing to paedophilia.

It's not generally discussed with friends over the dinner table, but we're not all friends and there is no table here.

Of course it can be all of those things, some performers commanding serious pay packets and achieveing a certain level of fame, celebrity and wealth. It also attracts the seediest of underbellies in society.

As has been noted today; there is apparently a "Rule 34" in internet folklore, it goes something like this I gather: "If it exists, there is porn of it; if it doesn't, someone, somewhere is making it"

So it can be harmless tittilation and soft in nature (Page 3, FHM etc), through to more explicit but still mainstream representations (top shelf mags), then to the "hardcore" (graphically explicit depictions of "normal" sexual acts between consenting adults), there is "extreme" porn - bondage, S&M, etc, then outright illegal stuff like bestiality, (usually simulated) rape porn and of course at the very nasty end child porn and alleged "snuff" films with a sexual backdrop - although these would seem to be urban myth.

Porn is enjoyed by many, clearly; some alone, some as part of their relationship, many of the actors involved enjoy it (the ones that are paid an awful lot mostly) and end up making a living doing what they'd be doing otherwise.

So there's onbviously a hugely varying spectrum of sexuality and attitudes to it and it's role in society. Does the existence of porn lower the amount of potential sexual offenders in society for instance because it provides an "outlet" - or does it in fact create sexual predators.

It seems wherever you turn, there are starkly contrasting viewpoints. I thought we could discuss it sensibly - either mentioning our own habits or not as you all see fit.

Put in Random to save mods some work as such a discussion will drift off course.

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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Great Pretender @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:03 pm

I love it. Can't get enough of it and see it as an outlet to curb the urge to 'play away'.

If the O/H isn't in the house (or is asleep), there's a fair chance I'll be surfing "youporn" and the like.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Kermit @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:06 pm

So long as participants and viewers have all consented to it, I can't understand why anyone would have a problem with porn.

If some people want to make a living out of flogging each other with stinging nettles whilst dressed as Roman soldiers and Celtic maidens, then why on earth shouldn't they so long as they all want to? Equally, if someone wants to watch it, where's the problem in that?

Of course if any of the participants were unwilling or unable to consent, it becomes a totally different story, as it would if I decided to wedge a little old lady in on the train before regaling her with the centre spread of Hornet-stung Honeys whether she liked it or not.

The bit I particularly don't understand is the feminist ranters. If a woman is being paid tens or even hundreds of thousands to just ride the occasional cock on screen, is it really the woman who is being exploited in that setup? Besides, much hardcore porn has both sexes in it. Odd how that's not considered demeaning to men, eh?
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:12 pm

Kermit wrote:If some people want to make a living out of flogging each other with stinging nettles whilst dressed as Roman soldiers and Celtic maidens, then why on earth shouldn't they so long as they all want to? Equally, if someone wants to watch it, where's the problem in that?

Of course if any of the participants were unwilling or unable to consent, it becomes a totally different story, as it would if I decided to wedge a little old lady in on the train before regaling her with the centre spread of Hornet-stung Honeys whether she liked it or not.


That's my take on it too.

Kermit wrote:Besides, much hardcore porn has both sexes in it. Odd how that's not considered demeaning to men, eh?


exactly. Then arises the question of "gay for pay" - all those "lesbians" that many of us enjoy certainly aren't naturally inclined that way, but bring a suitable quantity of cash into it and...

..the same also happens with male performers so I gather. There are far fewer genuinely gay male performers than there is demand for - so straight porn actors "gay up" for money. I find that strange, but as you say, if they're content to do it, who are we to question it?
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Gun @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:12 pm

Kermit wrote:So long as participants and viewers have all consented to it, I can't understand why anyone would have a problem with porn.

If some people want to make a living out of flogging each other with stinging nettles whilst dressed as Roman soldiers and Celtic maidens, then why on earth shouldn't they so long as they all want to? Equally, if someone wants to watch it, where's the problem in that?

Of course if any of the participants were unwilling or unable to consent, it becomes a totally different story, as it would if I decided to wedge a little old lady in on the train before regaling her with the centre spread of Hornet-stung Honeys whether she liked it or not.

The bit I particularly don't understand is the feminist ranters. If a woman is being paid tens or even hundreds of thousands to just ride the occasional cock on screen, is it really the woman who is being exploited in that setup? Besides, much hardcore porn has both sexes in it. Odd how that's not considered demeaning to men, eh?

Spot on, particularly that last bit, it always makes me laugh when a yoghurt knitter says porn is exploiting women, the female performers aren't forced to do it and they get paid more than the male performers so how is that exploitation?
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:15 pm

Great Pretender wrote:I love it. Can't get enough of it and see it as an outlet to curb the urge to 'play away'.

If the O/H isn't in the house (or is asleep), there's a fair chance I'll be surfing "youporn" and the like.


Likewise for the most part. I like naked women a lot. I'll never sleep with them all and don;t particularly want to - but I'll happily enjoy a quick shuffle as per whatever "flavour" takes my fancy. It is ALL there, to the point I've often found myself wondering if there are any women who aren't naked somewhere on the net. So many that they simply must just be all normal folk you see walking down th estreet the rest of the time.

Which opens up the divide between "professional" pornsters and "amateurs" - people like us doing their business for the voyeuristic pleasure of others.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Kermit @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:18 pm

Illustrious_Len wrote:
Great Pretender wrote:Which opens up the divide between "professional" pornsters and "amateurs" - people like us doing their business for the voyeuristic pleasure of others.


I'm always surprised by the number of obvious amateurs prepared to show their faces online along with everything else. How do they know their dad isn't out there, surfing away, right now?
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by qube_TA @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:18 pm

Porn is awesome, given that every time a new medium is invented the first thing people do is use it for porn, its a natural thing and there's nothing wrong with it.

Even though it's all the same, it's still fantastic.

The problem with the Internet though is that now everyone can get an infinite amount of it and with infinite variations (If you ask the Internet for a picture of a man fcuking a goat, the Internet will ask, "well, what kind of goat?") for free, I can't see how anyone can still make money from it still.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Great Pretender @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:27 pm

Illustrious_Len wrote:
Great Pretender wrote:I love it. Can't get enough of it and see it as an outlet to curb the urge to 'play away'.

If the O/H isn't in the house (or is asleep), there's a fair chance I'll be surfing "youporn" and the like.


Likewise for the most part. I like naked women a lot. I'll never sleep with them all and don;t particularly want to - but I'll happily enjoy a quick shuffle as per whatever "flavour" takes my fancy. It is ALL there, to the point I've often found myself wondering if there are any women who aren't naked somewhere on the net. So many that they simply must just be all normal folk you see walking down the street the rest of the time.



>imagines Len whacking off an 8-roper<

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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:28 pm

qube_TA wrote:Porn is awesome, given that every time a new medium is invented the first thing people do is use it for porn, its a natural thing and there's nothing wrong with it


We don't know when the first cave painting was made or the first thing drawn in the sand with a stick, but I reckon be sure it was a naked woman and/or a cock. Logically enough, because sex is a ("the" really) main reason we're here. We're all her because somewhere along the line two people had sex. We're here today as homo sapiens after 100,000 years or so because some combination of 5,000 pairs of people had sex. Which is pretty cool.

Yet still it's often "taboo" in human society. So I fail to see any shame in thinking about/talking about sex, it's just about the best thing we all get to do in life - and that pleasure is free. So it's not surprising that in idle moments, some like to spend time looking at depictions of others having sex.

We're led to believe that porn is a current affliction; the internet may have certainly had a huge role in the proliferation of it - but forms of it are identifiable in just about every human civilisation there has been.

So why the stigma? Why the reticence for people to admit they like porn/masturbation/sex?
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:30 pm

Also, do men all prefer more graphic/anatomically explicit porn and women more "plot"/emotionally as common perception would have us believe?
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:31 pm

Great Pretender wrote:>imagines Len whacking off an 8-roper<

:hurl:


A what?

Oh, it's probably best if we don't all imagine each other stroking/flicking off too.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by dirtyboy @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:44 pm

Personally, I think it's disgusting filth and should be banned from all corners of the earth.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:46 pm

dirty boy wrote:Personally, I think it's disgusting filth and should be banned from all corners of the earth and put in my spare room for "safe storage".


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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Firkin @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:51 pm

Illustrious_Len wrote:Also, do men all prefer more graphic/anatomically explicit porn and women more "plot"/emotionally as common perception would have us believe?


I cannot stand porn that tries to have a plot. It's always so lame that I end up just thinking this is so bad rather than enjoying what then follows.

I was on redtube about a week back and there was this girl who looked like it was her first go. She looked so upset and unsure of what was happening and what to say and do. Constantly repeating Oh my god and having to be led through on what to do for the camera. When the guy finally came she was almost pulling away from him.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by NNK @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:55 pm

Porn is brilliant as long as its consenting.
I'm not that keen on animal porn but if nothing is harmed or badly treated, who cares?

Personally I prefer Euro porn, the yanks seem to be into the rougher stuff, lots of choking, slapping and gagging, which I'm not really into.

Where was that thread on stuff we were experts on?
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:58 pm

Firkin wrote:
Illustrious_Len wrote:Also, do men all prefer more graphic/anatomically explicit porn and women more "plot"/emotionally as common perception would have us believe?


I cannot stand porn that tries to have a plot. It's always so lame that I end up just thinking this is so bad rather than enjoying what then follows.


Interesting. Counter to stereotypical views then.

Firkin wrote:I was on redtube about a week back and there was this girl who looked like it was her first go. She looked so upset and unsure of what was happening and what to say and do. Constantly repeating Oh my god and having to be led through on what to do for the camera. When the guy finally came she was almost pulling away from him.


That sounds thoroughly horrible and have come across (REALLY no pun intended) such things before - off-putting to say the least. Some look like first time on camera, others like first time full stop and that is just "ick" IMO. Equally there are probably some who find that the height of appealing. If they're consenting, so be it, but stuff like that makes you wonder. Which ruins your fun a bit.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by deev @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:06 pm

Firkin wrote:I was on redtube about a week back and there was this girl who looked like it was her first go. She looked so upset and unsure of what was happening and what to say and do. Constantly repeating Oh my god and having to be led through on what to do for the camera. When the guy finally came she was almost pulling away from him.

link? a lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Firkin @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:10 pm

Illustrious_Len wrote:That sounds thoroughly horrible - off-putting to say the least. Which ruins your fun a bit.


It did to such an extent that it played over in my mind for a few days afterwards how upset the girl was.

I switched back to youporn after that and have not been back to redtube since.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:10 pm

deevlash wrote:
Firkin wrote:I was on redtube about a week back and there was this girl who looked like it was her first go. She looked so upset and unsure of what was happening and what to say and do. Constantly repeating Oh my god and having to be led through on what to do for the camera. When the guy finally came she was almost pulling away from him.

link? a lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying.


"Ass to ass" etc.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by deev @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:15 pm

I hate pornstar porn, all that big hair, shit makeup and "ooooh yeah baby, fcuk me yeah, like that, ooh yeah" its shite So are pornos with shitty plots, I dont care about the characters, I just want to see her clunge and tits. Metart and hegre art are good despite just being softcore pseudo arty stuff.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by deev @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:16 pm

Illustrious_Len wrote:
deevlash wrote:
Firkin wrote:I was on redtube about a week back and there was this girl who looked like it was her first go. She looked so upset and unsure of what was happening and what to say and do. Constantly repeating Oh my god and having to be led through on what to do for the camera. When the guy finally came she was almost pulling away from him.

link? a lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying.


"Ass to ass" etc.

preferably if theyre not crack whores, nothing kills a boner faster than seeing a track mark next to a vagina.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:22 pm

deevlash wrote:I hate pornstar porn, all that big hair, shit makeup and "ooooh yeah baby, fcuk me yeah, like that, ooh yeah" its shite So are pornos with shitty plots, I dont care about the characters, I just want to see her clunge and tits. Metart and hegre art are good despite just being softcore pseudo arty stuff.


Ditto. "ishotmyself" was also good for that sort of thing. Real girls & women. Not plastic, pumped, plucked and preened "pros". Women like ones I might actually root mainly. Plus a few kinks, naturally...Ahem. "Facettes de la petit mort" was also bizarrely erotic despite the lack of explicit clunge content. Just faces of women pleasuring themselves (men too, for the ladies & gay men).
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:57 pm

Porn as revenue raiser for hospitals...

one of our local hospitals was hiring out one of its closed - but fully-equipped wards - to a film company to use as a film set.

'To add insult to injury, the movie was a pornographic one. Although I cannot claim to have seen the final picture - as I understand, these things are no longer claimable on parliamentary expenses - it was a big-budget affair and generated substantial income for the hospital.
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Great Pretender @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:07 pm

Illustrious_Len wrote:
Great Pretender wrote:>imagines Len whacking off an 8-roper<

:hurl:


A what?

Oh, it's probably best if we don't all imagine each other stroking/flicking off too.


It's best you dont google it at work ;)
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:09 pm

Great Pretender wrote:
Illustrious_Len wrote:
Great Pretender wrote:>imagines Len whacking off an 8-roper<

:hurl:


A what?

Oh, it's probably best if we don't all imagine each other stroking/flicking off too.


It's best you dont google it at work ;)


>Googles<

First result is Urban Dictionary...

...:rofl:
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by Shampoo Efficient @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:12 pm

Illustrious_Len wrote:
Ditto. "ishotmyself" was also good for that sort of thing. Real girls & women.


Is that the one with several of the AbbyWinters girls?

AbbyWinters has, like 10% "hell yeah" girls, 10% "why the hell not", and 80% "no, ta".

I think so long as those performing are consenting adults (consenting to whatever, straight, lesbian, BDSM...) - and those viewing it are open and honest about it, then there's no problem IMO. It's if it starts taking over your life, or causing arguments, then there's an issue.
But then the same applies to gambling, drinking, smoking...
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by WD40 @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:15 pm

PeteG wrote:
Illustrious_Len wrote:
Ditto. "ishotmyself" was also good for that sort of thing. Real girls & women.


Is that the one with several of the AbbyWinters girls?

AbbyWinters has, like 10% "hell yeah" girls, 10% "why the hell not", and 80% "no, ta".


No idea, but very much in that sort of area.

PeteG wrote:I think so long as those performing are consenting adults (consenting to whatever, straight, lesbian, BDSM...) - and those viewing it are open and honest about it, then there's no problem IMO. It's if it starts taking over your life, or causing arguments, then there's an issue.
But then the same applies to gambling, drinking, smoking...


Good points all :)
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by deev @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:17 pm

PeteG wrote: AbbyWinters

That site has led me to the conclusion that Australia is full of munters with hairy vaginas
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Re: Porn: Right, wrong or very wrong?

Post by 75_Steve @ Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:18 pm

PeteG wrote:
Illustrious_Len wrote:
Ditto. "ishotmyself" was also good for that sort of thing. Real girls & women.


Is that the one with several of the AbbyWinters girls?

AbbyWinters has, like 10% "hell yeah" girls, 10% "why the hell not", and 80% "no, ta".


Isn't that the one where the girls have more hair 'down there' than Brian Blessed has on his face?
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