Vespa Primavera Restoration

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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Strawman @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:11 pm

I thought Norbert specialised in panoramic shots with the subject so far away it was hard to see, more like this

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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:19 pm

thekungfury wrote:It's super cool that ID managed to recruit Norbert from TT's Congo trip to take the photos in this otherwise ace thread.



Fy!
I'd rather have a spade taking the photos than a scouse taking anything not nailed down.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:01 pm

Il Duce wrote:using the other toggle I can flip between dip and main which is right.
The horn works. The engine cut out works.

Everything is as per the wiring diagram- (the 12V and 6V are identical as far as the lights are concerned) apart from there seems to be no direct earth connection between the earth tab on the bulb holder and the earth terminal on the switch. On the switch there is that black link wire which goes from the earth terminal to the DIP terminal (brown) when it should go to the earth tab on the bulb holder. (this a picture of the old switch but I've connected the new one identically)
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So I'm thinking of disconnecting that little black link wire and running an earth wire from that terminal to the earth on the bulb holder. What do the experts think?
If I do that and nothing explodes and it still doesn't work, I'm out of ideas.


Do you have a multimeter? If not do you have a 12v bulb with some wires on?
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:43 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
Il Duce wrote:using the other toggle I can flip between dip and main which is right.
The horn works. The engine cut out works.

Everything is as per the wiring diagram- (the 12V and 6V are identical as far as the lights are concerned) apart from there seems to be no direct earth connection between the earth tab on the bulb holder and the earth terminal on the switch. On the switch there is that black link wire which goes from the earth terminal to the DIP terminal (brown) when it should go to the earth tab on the bulb holder. (this a picture of the old switch but I've connected the new one identically)
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So I'm thinking of disconnecting that little black link wire and running an earth wire from that terminal to the earth on the bulb holder. What do the experts think?
If I do that and nothing explodes and it still doesn't work, I'm out of ideas.


Do you have a multimeter? If not do you have a 12v bulb with some wires on?


Yes. I have a simple multimeter which tells me if there is a circuit or if there is power.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:06 pm

Ok, use that to check the voltage between a live wire and the scooter frame/body, and for continuity between the ground on the switch and the body - not that the switch actually needs a ground...
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:19 pm

Aesgarth wrote:Ok, use that to check the voltage between a live wire and the scooter frame/body, and for continuity between the ground on the switch and the body - not that the switch actually needs a ground...


Ok thanks.

Please excuse my thickness but I'm not sure what you're trying to do here sorry.
I know there's power coming out of the red wire then going through the switch and to the bulbs because they light up.
I know there must be an earth going to the bulbs because they light up.
I think the problem is that the bulbs are getting an earth from somewhere other than via the switch and that is why they can't be switched off. Although the side light can be switched off. I'm more confused now.

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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Deuteronomy @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:29 pm

Aesgarth wrote:Ok, use that to check the voltage between a live wire and the scooter frame/body, and for continuity between the ground on the switch and the body - not that the switch actually needs a ground...


That's one of those things that's really easy to type but horrendous to understand if you've not actually done it.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:13 pm

Deuteronomy wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:Ok, use that to check the voltage between a live wire and the scooter frame/body, and for continuity between the ground on the switch and the body - not that the switch actually needs a ground...


That's one of those things that's really easy to type but horrendous to understand if you've not actually done it.


My multimeter has two "wands"
Set it to "voltage"
Touch one wand on one of the wires that will have elec passing through it. (brown, purple or pink)
Then touch the other to the scooter body.
If there is power the little light on the meter will light up. Yes?
But don't we already know that power is running through the wire? Because the bulb lights up. yes?
What are we trying to prove?
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:19 am

Buggery shite!
Even with the new bulb holder and switch fitted I'm getting a circuit from almost every contact in the switch to almost every spade connector on the bulb holder. I even disconnected the small earth link on the switch but nothing changed. I also ran a separate earth direct from the switch to the earth on the bulb holder. Nothing changed.
The people who are shipping it to Italy are the ones who did the work on it previously so they can sort it before it leaves in the Spring.
Until then it has a front, rear and brake light and I'm not going to ride it in the dark so it can stay like that.

Thanks for your help anyway.

If it doesn't rain on Sunday I'll get it outside and take some photos to conclude this thread.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:41 am

You don't need an earth from the switch, only a live. The frame and body of the scooter should be connected to the - terminal on the battery so connecting the bulb to that with a switched live should do the trick.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:52 am

Aesgarth wrote:You don't need an earth from the switch, only a live. The frame and body of the scooter should be connected to the - terminal on the battery so connecting the bulb to that with a switched live should do the trick.


There is no battery.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:56 am

Here's a wiring diagram I found in ms paint....
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So the next step is to work out which terminals on the back of the switch do what... to do this use the multimeter to work out which switch position turns on which terminals (one end of the multimeter on the scooter, one on the switch terminal) and then connect the wires accordingly.

In light of the no battery news I'll add anot her post.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:58 am

I'm suddenly far less confident looking at your diagram
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:16 am

Can't link directly as I'm on a tablet and it won't let me, but if you Google

beedspeed vesta primavera wiring diagram

The first link may make more sense than the diagram you're using. Having realised it's using a combination of ac and dc power it's somewhat confusing.


How confident are you that the problem is with the switch and not the lamp unit?
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:34 am

Aesgarth wrote:Can't link directly as I'm on a tablet and it won't let me, but if you Google

beedspeed vesta primavera wiring diagram

The first link may make more sense than the diagram you're using. Having realised it's using a combination of ac and dc power it's somewhat confusing.


How confident are you that the problem is with the switch and not the lamp unit?


Brand new lamp unit and switch and it's changed nothing.
Even if I disconnect the lamp holder the meter shows that there is a circuit between almost any bulb holder wire and any contact on the switch regardless of if the switch is set to off/side/head.

I've found another diagram on the beedspeed site that shows my switch (bottom centre) with the small link wire added.

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I'll check using that tomorrow. Thanks for the link.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:51 am

Aesg, that diagram might be the answer. BRAVO!!!!!!
Looking at my switch it seems the link is in the wrong place AND one of the flat fixed links needs to be cut.

Fingers crossed. I am genuinely excited! But not erect.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:53 am

Keep it up ID! This is a brand new type of restro thread for us. The other ones were a report of work done and problems solved by the restorer. All good and great, but yours is involving us in problem solving too!

I know fcuk all about electrics, by the way.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:19 am




Damn you boy! That's not the CTF way!
We shall overcome!!!
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by spast1kunt @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:40 am

So long as you don't end up inadvertently burning it to the ground.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by minimoog @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:57 am

tanglerat wrote:Keep it up ID! This is a brand new type of restro thread for us. The other ones were a report of work done and problems solved by someone who knows what they're doing. All well and good but not nearly as fun as this way!


Indeed.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:32 pm

V5 just arrived in the post so I can now ride it on the road legally!!
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Dirk @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:33 pm

Il Duce wrote: I am genuinely excited! But not erect.

Well that explains Paris leaving
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:52 pm

Dirk wrote:
Il Duce wrote: I am genuinely excited! But not erect.

Well that explains Paris leaving


Silly billy, I had post radiotherapy sterility, not erectile dysfunction.
Pity your mum hadn't been sterile.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:01 am

I haven't sworn for a long time but I think this moment deserves it.

Fvckingcuntybastardshite!

I altered the switch wiring as per the diagram which was specific for my scooter model and the fact that it had Parmakit 12v upgrade. Before I had lights I couldn't turn off. Now I have lights that won't turn on, apart from my brake light which works perfectly.
I was going to struggle on but, it being a nice day yesterday, I thought I'd take it for a spin. I reassembled the switch and headlight and off I went.
1st, fine, 2nd fine, accelerate bing! slips out of gear. Same in 3rd and 4th as soon as it hits the powerband.
This was the thing that the scooter shop was supposed to sort. The failure to do this and that they managed to get it through an MOT with knackered suspension means I shall be having bad words with them today.
The fault points to a worn cruciform which means the engine has to be split.
There is also petrol leaking from the carb.

So, subject to my conversation with the useless tossers, It'll be going back to the mechanics to get it all sorted in one go.

On a happier note here are some photos:

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Finally, I put the grey on ebay at a low start price and a high reserve. Well it's hit the reserve but the jump of one bid from £1100 to £1750 makes me sceptical that the deal will happen. I predict being messed about.

Ooh and my fit neighbour called over and sat on my scooter. Not a sex thing. Just sat on the scooter ok?
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Ghost @ Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:22 am

Not a scooterist but that looks pretty ace to me.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:25 pm

Ghost wrote:Not a scooterist but that looks pretty ace to me.


Thanks Ghost. It brings a smile to my face every time I see it.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:05 pm

Well the PX sold for more than I expected and I've received the money. It's going to G12 Glasgow.
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by spast1kunt @ Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:52 am

Il Duce wrote:Well the PX sold for more than I expected and I've received the money. It's going to G12 Glasgow.

Dis or Stuart?
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Re: Vespa Primavera Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:44 am

spast1kunt wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Well the PX sold for more than I expected and I've received the money. It's going to G12 Glasgow.

Dis or Stuart?


I bet Stuart, in a drunken impulsive buy. He'll be scratching his head wondering wtf when it turns up.
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