Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Tue May 29, 2018 2:17 pm

minimoog wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:Here's a couple of (steel) things I tigged together recently, just to prove i can weld a bit:


Can you weld my exhaust? Lexus want £1050 for a new one. Or rather, half of one.

Sorry, i just remembered i hadn't replied to this. I could but you're probably better off speaking to someone who knows exhausts. I've heard good things about these guys:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aas-Exhausts/134974773340345
although never used them myself.

What's yours made of, and what exactly is wrong with it?
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Tue May 29, 2018 2:20 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
minimoog wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:Here's a couple of (steel) things I tigged together recently, just to prove i can weld a bit:


Can you weld my exhaust? Lexus want £1050 for a new one. Or rather, half of one.

Sorry, i just remembered i hadn't replied to this. I could but you're probably better off speaking to someone who knows exhausts. I've heard good things about these guys:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aas-Exhausts/134974773340345
although never used them myself.

What's yours made of, and what exactly is wrong with it?


OY! Stop ruining my thread with all this welding talk! Just because I can't weld, you bastards!

I did some soldering. That was like welding but nobody cared.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Strawman @ Tue May 29, 2018 2:21 pm

Il Duce wrote:
I did some soldering. That was like welding but nobody cared.


The sort of welding children can manage, hence the respectful silence.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Deuteronomy @ Tue May 29, 2018 2:24 pm

I'm looking for a prediction now ID as to when you'll have this finished?
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by minimoog @ Tue May 29, 2018 2:44 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
minimoog wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:Here's a couple of (steel) things I tigged together recently, just to prove i can weld a bit:


Can you weld my exhaust? Lexus want £1050 for a new one. Or rather, half of one.

Sorry, i just remembered i hadn't replied to this. I could but you're probably better off speaking to someone who knows exhausts. I've heard good things about these guys:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aas-Exhausts/134974773340345
although never used them myself.

What's yours made of, and what exactly is wrong with it?


Thanks but events have overtaken this - it shat its transmission at the weekend :(
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Deuteronomy @ Tue May 29, 2018 3:20 pm

minimoog wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:
minimoog wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:Here's a couple of (steel) things I tigged together recently, just to prove i can weld a bit:


Can you weld my exhaust? Lexus want £1050 for a new one. Or rather, half of one.

Sorry, i just remembered i hadn't replied to this. I could but you're probably better off speaking to someone who knows exhausts. I've heard good things about these guys:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aas-Exhausts/134974773340345
although never used them myself.

What's yours made of, and what exactly is wrong with it?


Thanks but events have overtaken this - it shat its transmission at the weekend :(


Terminally? (Ie cost to repair too great? Anything can be fixed with enough money)
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Tue May 29, 2018 3:53 pm

Strawman wrote:
Il Duce wrote:
I did some soldering. That was like welding but nobody cared.


The sort of welding children can manage, hence the respectful silence.


Encouraging, respectful silence.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by minimoog @ Tue May 29, 2018 3:54 pm

Deuteronomy wrote:Terminally? (Ie cost to repair too great? Anything can be fixed with enough money)


Possibly - dumped its ATF on the DC. Nowhere to pull off the road safely so from the point it first dropped out of top to pulling into the next lay-by was 2 miles. Whole underside and back of the car covered in ATF, dipstick bone dry when I checked the next day. Could easily have mullered the box. It's with a tranny specialist now (easy) so I'm awaiting the dread verdict.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Tue May 29, 2018 5:50 pm

Deuteronomy wrote:I'm looking for a prediction now ID as to when you'll have this finished?


Finished or running?

Finished- I'd say there's about 4 hours closing, fitting the exhaust and installing the engine, 1 hour on electrics and another 1 hour fitting the tank and carb. So theoretically it could be done by Thursday night. But it's a little red bastard and will fight me all the way.

Running- I could die before it ever runs. I shall put petrol in it, pull the choke and kick it 10 times. If it doesn't start it'll be taken to Wildcat because I really can't be arsed.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:44 am

I tried to move the kickstarter yesterday and found it was jammed. Strange since I'd been checking it regularly throughout the rebuild. Upon closer inspection I could see that the kickstarter lever wasn't far enough along the kickstarter shaft so the toothed quadrant inside the engine was disengaging with the cog and jamming.

So no problem there. Slacken the bolt, tap the lever up the shaft- job done!

Thefvckitwouldbe!

Slackened the nut but the lever was firmly stuck on the shaft. Slacken it more. Nope. Slacken more. Bang! The bolt snapped.

How I didn't burn it at that point is beyond me.

Ok so the lever is now fvcked but at least I only need to get it off the shaft and replace it.
Heat.
Nut unsiezer.
Heat.
Hammer.
Screwdriver.
Hammer.
Dremel.
Drill.
DRILL.

And off it came but the shaft was totally fvcked.

Ordered both- luckily only £40.

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I'd like to review my completion date prediction:

They will bury me with the scooter- unfinished.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:38 am

Arse. My parcel from Sip scooter finally arrived from Germany just as I was leaving for my half day on Thurs. They are always spot on with their stuff so I didn't check inside.

It appears that I thought I'd ordered the kickstarter lever but in fact I hadn't put it in my basket- so no lever- so no work could be done.

By the time I'd found out it it was past 3:30- the deadline for ordering from a uk supplier for delivery by today. So can't do anything on Sunday either.

The little red bastard has now taken control of my mind and is screwing up my ordering just to stop it getting finished.
What next?
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:21 am

Il Duce wrote:What next?


Welding?
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:43 am

tanglerat wrote:
Il Duce wrote:What next?


Welding?


Not yet. But I did look at some MIG welders on the Toolstation site.


Anyway, panic over, kickstarter lever just arrived in the post! Well done PedParts!
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:10 am

It's finally time to admit defeat.

Kick-starter fitted. Engine closed. Kick-starter functioning properly. Dropped in the clutch basket and the bastard will now not kick over. Jammed as a jam sandwich.

I'm going to post the question on a Vespa forum but I think it's game over and time to give the headache to a professional.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Deuteronomy @ Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:56 am

Bad news ID, very frustrating!
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:00 am

I might have found a 1980 Primavera engine in "The Rhondda" for £150. It's scruffy but not seized and I could refurb it with new bearings and oil seals and fit the good parts from the current engine.

Just waiting for an engine number to confirm what it is.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:46 pm

Il Duce wrote:I might have found a 1980 Primavera engine in "The Rhondda" for £150. It's scruffy but not seized and I could refurb it with new bearings and oil seals and fit the good parts from the current engine.

Just waiting for an engine number to confirm what it is.


Too late. The bastard sold it.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:38 pm

The forum was no help so I've booked it into Wildcat scooters and they can sort out the little bastard.

It'll either be something really simple or something catastrophic.
Either way I can already see the mechanic's face.

That look.
You know.

Like the one you give to women who try and throw stones.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Baby Huey @ Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:14 pm

Unlucky.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:19 pm

Baby Huey wrote:Unlucky.


I know.


If it had been electric I wouldn't have had all this shit to deal with.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by HappyGoLucky @ Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:30 pm

Il Duce wrote:If it had been electric I wouldn't have had all this shit to deal with.


There you go, inspiration for your next Vespa renovation.... an electric conversion!

I predict much success, you must start immediately.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:33 pm

Il Duce wrote:If it had been electric I wouldn't have had all this shit to deal with.


Laugh.

I feel your pain with this one ID. Hopefully it's nothing major.

My overriding thought after watching this thread unfold, is that despite you seeming to do the right thing at each juncture...I don't think I'd want you to work on my scooter (if I had one). Sorry.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Dirk @ Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:55 pm

manfromdelmonte wrote:My overriding thought after watching this thread unfold, is that despite you seeming to do the right thing at each juncture...I don't think I'd want you to work on my scooter (if I had one). Sorry.

Would be fun for him to make his comment about women throwing stones in the presence of Katherine Brunt when she has a cricket ball in her hand though
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:33 am

manfromdelmonte wrote:
Il Duce wrote:If it had been electric I wouldn't have had all this shit to deal with.


Laugh.

I feel your pain with this one ID. Hopefully it's nothing major.

My overriding thought after watching this thread unfold, is that despite you seeming to do the right thing at each juncture...I don't think I'd want you to work on my scooter (if I had one). Sorry.


Harsh considering I was provided with a box of bits that didn't fit, were unlabelled, and there were bits that were missing.
If you discount the engine, which as far as I can see should have been scrapped, I completed all of the other tasks.
It went from this:

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to this:

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Despite all the shite, I feel I really learnt a lot: I can almost strip and assemble an engine blindfold.
I wouldn't hesitate to restore another BUT I'd be the one stripping it down.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Deuteronomy @ Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:08 am

If you had to do it again it'd be a lot easier and quicker - the engine problem won't be major, but some small overlooked item you'll kick yourself for.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:38 pm

I know it was harsh, and as I say, it looks like you normally did the right things. Maybe you just had an unreasonable about of bad luck with parts ordering etc. But I still wouldn't entrust my imaginary Vespa to an unlucky mechanic.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:02 pm

manfromdelmonte wrote:I know it was harsh, and as I say, it looks like you normally did the right things. Maybe you just had an unreasonable about of bad luck with parts ordering etc. But I still wouldn't entrust my imaginary Vespa to an unlucky mechanic.



Considering your... um.... mass.....I don't think a Vespa would be right for you anyway.

This is what it would look like for the rest of us
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:42 pm

Il Duce wrote:
manfromdelmonte wrote:I know it was harsh, and as I say, it looks like you normally did the right things. Maybe you just had an unreasonable about of bad luck with parts ordering etc. But I still wouldn't entrust my imaginary Vespa to an unlucky mechanic.



Considering your... um.... mass.....I don't think a Vespa would be right for you anyway.

This is what it would look like for the rest of us
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Haha, funny if true. So not funny. Let's end this spat with a nice slice of mis-ordered CBP and a rounded off screw head.
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Tokyo Sexwale @ Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:06 pm

manfromdelmonte wrote:
Il Duce wrote:If it had been electric I wouldn't have had all this shit to deal with.


Laugh.

I feel your pain with this one ID. Hopefully it's nothing major.

My overriding thought after watching this thread unfold, is that despite you seeming to do the right thing at each juncture...I don't think I'd want you to work on my scooter (if I had one). Sorry.


:D
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Re: Vespa 125 Nuova Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:45 am

Well let's get back on track. Upon further investigation it appears to me that the crank is still fouling on the cylinder walls at one point.
This could be down to the crank being bent, it not being seated properly or the wrong crank entirely.

My money is on the last option.
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