Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:19 pm

tanglerat wrote:
Il Duce wrote: I'm going to make proper ones on Sunday from flat bar.


Look at you now, crafting replacement components yourself. Flat bar? That welder is coming closer and closer.

Proud of you man. Proud!

<wipes tear from corner of eye>

You should put a tail rotor on that thing, for sure.

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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:21 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
tanglerat wrote:
Il Duce wrote: I'm going to make proper ones on Sunday from flat bar.


Look at you now, crafting replacement components yourself. Flat bar? That welder is coming closer and closer.

Proud of you man. Proud!

<wipes tear from corner of eye>

You should put a tail rotor on that thing, for sure.

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Calm down the pair of you!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:24 pm

ID, this is great. Before you embarked on this, how much did you know about Vespas? I'm not answering for you, but I imagine it was fcuk all compared to what you know now.

I'm all for this. Let's all learn something cool in 2019.

Not that Vespas are cool, but you know what I mean.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:13 pm

manfromdelmonte wrote:I'm all for this. Let's all learn something cool in 2019.

Not that Vespas are cool, but you know what I mean.

Love this idea.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:22 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
manfromdelmonte wrote:I'm all for this. Let's all learn something cool in 2019.

Not that Vespas are cool, but you know what I mean.

Love this idea.


ID's would be cool if he put a tail rotor on his. Be like a giant big fcuk off fan cooling down the rider.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:11 am

manfromdelmonte wrote:ID, this is great. Before you embarked on this, how much did you know about Vespas? I'm not answering for you, but I imagine it was fcuk all compared to what you know now.

I'm all for this. Let's all learn something cool in 2019.

Not that Vespas are cool, but you know what I mean I have zero taste.



Vespas? Absolutely zero apart from I knew I wanted one.
I've had bikes before and did some enduros but knew nothing about the mechanicals.
With the Vespa I just read some books, used the blueprints and watched some youtubes.
Hey presto! I'm a Smallframe geek expert!

Still can't weld though.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:28 am

The bodyshop has been on the phone. He can't work out how/where to fit the front horncast.
Naturally he removed the original before realising it.

Here's the part.
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Here's what it should look like.
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On the left hand part, does he cut around the raised edge then weld it on or weld it on and fill in the raised edges?

Also he doesn't know how high up on the legshield it should go. It matters because it determines the gap between the bottom of it and the top of the mudguard. I've posted the question on an ET3 forum.


See. Shit is happening!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by wi11iam @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:13 pm

Looks like the top of the left hand part goes flush with the top of the leg shield? That sets the height?

No idea on his to fit the two together though. One of the welder wielders will be along shortly - although the two who spring to mind are either not at liberty to post or not posting (Dragon Slayer).
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Paul H @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:34 pm

Il Duce wrote:Naturally he removed the original before realising it.


How did he remove it? Screws, tin snips, bandsaw, plasma cutter? I think the answer to this one will determine how the new one gets screwed/welded/bonded and whether from the front or the back.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:56 pm

Now? Cut to the same size as the hole then welded flush and the welds ground flat (very carefully to avoid distortion)

however, i would have worked out the position first and - in the case of the larger of the 2 bits, cut the hole to fit that (with the exception of the top, where there is obviously extra material on the replacement panel) the smaller horn housing part looks a bit like it is surface mounted - that is it sits on top of the other bit. In which case I might have been tempted to drill and plug weld from the back. I would definitely have had a careful look at it before cutting bits out.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:59 pm

Questions have been answered.

You have to cut around the raised part and weld that to the legshield starting at 22.89mm from the bottom/inner part of the border that runs around the edge of the legshield.

Don't ever say that this thread isn't educational and fascinating!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:03 pm

Aesgarth wrote:Now? Cut to the same size as the hole then welded flush and the welds ground flat (very carefully to avoid distortion)

however, i would have worked out the position first and - in the case of the larger of the 2 bits, cut the hole to fit that (with the exception of the top, where there is obviously extra material on the replacement panel) the smaller horn housing part looks a bit like it is surface mounted - that is it sits on top of the other bit. In which case I might have been tempted to drill and plug weld from the back. I would definitely have had a careful look at it before cutting bits out.



There is no hole to fill. It's mounted onto the surface of the legshield. You're right about the horn mount (bottom bit).

The sprayer is a brilliant sprayer but this is his first Vespa. We are learning together so to speak.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:07 pm

Il Duce wrote:
There is no hole to fill. It's mounted onto the surface of the legshield. You're right about the horn mount (bottom bit).

The sprayer is a brilliant sprayer but this is his first Vespa. We are learning together so to speak.

I was assuming he'd had to cut out the original... Oops.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:12 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
Il Duce wrote:
There is no hole to fill. It's mounted onto the surface of the legshield. You're right about the horn mount (bottom bit).

The sprayer is a brilliant sprayer but this is his first Vespa. We are learning together so to speak.

I was assuming he'd had to cut out the original... Oops.


Sorry my shit explanation. The piece is just welded to the legshield.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Paul H @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:09 pm

Il Duce wrote: at 22.89mm from


That's suspiciously precise for a vintage machine!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:41 pm

Paul H wrote:
Il Duce wrote: at 22.89mm from


That's suspiciously precise for a vintage machine!

It's suspiciously precise and obscure for any machine.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:53 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
Paul H wrote:
Il Duce wrote: at 22.89mm from


That's suspiciously precise for a vintage machine!

It's suspiciously precise and obscure for any machine.


I asked on an ET3 forum. The owner went out and measured his ET3.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:57 pm

So you're finally getting the welder then?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:13 pm

tanglerat wrote:So you're finally getting the welder then?


Nope sorry. The sprayer is doing the welding.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:16 am

The choke was delivered, assembled and fitted.

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I connected the petrol and on the 3rd kick it bloody well started!
IT STARTED!!!
I have a video of it running but I'm not sure how to put it on here.

Anyway, after running it for a few minutes I stopped it and realised the kickstart had slipped on the starter shaft.
Even after tightening it still slipped. For one horrible moment I thought I'd have to split the engine and change the starter quadrant but upon closer examination I realised the kickstart lever was the original. They are made of alloy with 4 grooves cut into it and the shaft is steel with 4 teeth cut into it. Over time the lever wears and needs to be replaced. Upon removal it was obvious this was the case. The inside of the hole was worn smooth. New lever ordered.

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When it arrives I'll set up the carb and fit the covers, then I just have to wait for the body to return to do anything else.
Looks like I might be gardening on Sunday.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Deuteronomy @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:28 am

This is really good progress ID, you've come a long way and I'm happy to take the credit for it.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by minimoog @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:41 am

Deuteronomy wrote:This is really good progress ID, you've come a long way and I'm happy to take the credit for it.


:D

Great stuff ID - well done!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 am

Deuteronomy wrote:This is really good progress ID, you've come a long way and I'm happy to take the credit for it.


fcuk off, the credit's all mine. I've even groomed him to the point where he's actually thinking that getting a welder might actually be a good idea after all. Another prijrct, two at most, and he'll be starting to weld.

And then we hit forum paydirt.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:21 pm

tanglerat wrote:...Another prijrct, two at most, and he'll be starting to weld.

And then Wales will be raised to the ground...


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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:00 pm

Careless Whisperer wrote:
tanglerat wrote:...Another prijrct, two at most, and he'll be starting to weld.

And then Wales will be raised to the ground...


EFA


Even IF i bought a welder
and
even IF I started welding
and
and even IF i razed Wales


how the fvck would you tell the difference?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:11 pm

Nice one, ID, must have been a euphoric moment. What's the plan with this one? Sell it?

Also what happened to the Red Shit that you sold and then it blew up?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Dirk @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:35 pm

Il Duce wrote:

Even IF i bought a welder
and
even IF I started welding
and
and even IF i raised Wales


how the fvck would you tell the difference?

Italy would be 5th in the 6 Nations instead of 6th?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:41 pm

manfromdelmonte wrote:Nice one, ID, must have been a euphoric moment. What's the plan with this one? Sell it?

Also what happened to the Red Shit that you sold and then it blew up?


I was amazed at first, then very happy, then proud.
It'll be for sale when I finish it but I'll maybe take a vespa part exchange and build something fast with it.

Christine didn't blow up. The gear changer jammed. The new owner probably did it because he's was a useless cnut.
Anyway I never heard another thing about it.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:42 pm

Dirk wrote:
Il Duce wrote:

Even IF i bought a welder
and
even IF I started welding
and
and even IF i raised Wales


how the fvck would you tell the difference?

Italy would be 5th in the 6 Nations instead of 6th?


More chance of me buying a welder.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:50 am

New kick starter lever arrived. Duly fitted. Kicked over and ran the engine just to make sure it wasn't a fluke last time.

Sorry this so boring.
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