Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:05 am

Il Duce wrote:New kick starter lever arrived. Duly fitted. Kicked over and ran the engine just to make sure it wasn't a fluke last time.

Sorry this so boring.


Be a bit more exciting true enough if you posted a sound clip of the engine running and being revved, with added background swearing and cursing and cackles of laughter in Italian.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:03 am

The Blue Bastard fights back... but then gives in.

I ran up the engine again just to be sure it was all ok and it was. Then I decided to fit the engine cowl and fan cover but before that I had to fit the wheel. This involved removing half of the exhaust which was easy. Fitted 4 of the five wheel nuts only to find the fifth stud was threaded just on the end. I pulled out my tap and die kit only to find I had an M9 and M7 but not bloody M8. The studs can be removed and renewed but I obv couldn't use a stud remover because there was no thread. OK off with the hub, bang the stud in a vice, it undoes slightly then stops. Stalemate. New stud or M8 die needed. Remove from vice and think about smashing two nuts on there somehow to get it to move and would you believe it the nut goes on. The vice had somehow ground away the shit 1mm of thread allowing the nut to get onto the good thread. RESULT!
By then I'd had enough so it's all there to be rebuilt on Thursday.

Sorry it couldn't have been a bit more shit.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:16 am

Good work

Il Duce wrote: I pulled out my tap and die kit only to find I had an M9 and M7 but not bloody M8.

This is almost always the case.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:51 am

Aesgarth wrote:Good work

Il Duce wrote: I pulled out my tap and die kit only to find I had an M9 and M7 but not bloody M8.

This is almost always the case.



Naturally if I'd had a MIG welder I could have tacked a nut onto the stud and unscrewed the shitter.

Why hasn't anyone suggested this ffs?!!!

<looks at welders>
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by S1K @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:56 am

You could probably have attached a nut using JB Weld. That stuff is incredibly strong.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Pigeon @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:51 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
Il Duce wrote: I pulled out my tap and die kit only to find I had an M9 and M7 but not bloody M8.


This is almost always the case.


No it's not, it's weird. Every other size, that's normal - but odd sizes and no even ones, that isn't.

Still, at least ID can make a new bolt to hold the dynamo armature on for an MZ, if he ever gets bored with Vespas.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:58 pm

Pigeon wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:
Il Duce wrote: I pulled out my tap and die kit only to find I had an M9 and M7 but not bloody M8.


This is almost always the case.


No it's not, it's weird. Every other size, that's normal - but odd sizes and no even ones, that isn't.

Still, at least ID can make a new bolt to hold the dynamo armature on for an MZ, if he ever gets bored with Vespas.

I meant that you never have the one you want, rather than M8 being an odd size.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:59 pm

Aesgarth wrote:
Pigeon wrote:
Aesgarth wrote:
Il Duce wrote: I pulled out my tap and die kit only to find I had an M9 and M7 but not bloody M8.


This is almost always the case.


No it's not, it's weird. Every other size, that's normal - but odd sizes and no even ones, that isn't.

Still, at least ID can make a new bolt to hold the dynamo armature on for an MZ, if he ever gets bored with Vespas.

I meant that you never have the one you want, rather than M8 being an odd size.


I found the T&D set description:

8 metric dies size: 3 x 0.5, 4 x 0.7, 5 x 0.8, 6 x 1.0, 7 x 1.0, 8 x 1.25, 10 x 1.5 and 12 x 1.75mm

My mistake, I had an 8 and a 10 but no M9.

I've also just checked the specs on the stud and it was an M8 so wtf happened there?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Pigeon @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:15 pm

They're not like nuts. Trying to match a die to an existing thread - especially one that's a bit shagged - by screwing it on and seeing how it feels is awkward because it never feels right even when it is. Thread gauges can be dead handy to resolve such ambiguities (and the pattern made by all the threads lined up is good to groove on when stoned).
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Paul H @ Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:29 pm

Pigeon wrote:and the pattern made by all the threads lined up is good to groove on when stoned


Niche.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:48 am

This one is cursed like the red bastard.

I went to pick up the frame and parts from the sprayers yesterday only to find that the paint along one seam had bubbled.
Seems there must have been something in the seam that leaked into the etch coat and made it detach from the body.
Only plus was he cut out the offending paint while I was there and I could see the thickness of paint and it confirmed that he had sprayed many coats.

Not sure when I'll get it back but I have the headset, mudguard, fuel tank and other parts so I might be able to do something on Boxing day.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:43 am

After a lovely Christmas day it was time to get into the garage workshop to do something rather than sit and eat.

Ok, lets start with the headset.
Refurb kit ready- Check!
All laid out in order - Check!
Blueprints ready- Check!

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Oh hang on, the fittings are a different diameter.
Check the bag and find out by mistake they sent/I ordered a kit for a 50 Special which has thinner handlebar tubes
and totally different cable controls.
Shit.

After digging through the box of pieces I had with the scooter I found enough bits to do one side

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But I was missing part number 9 so couldn't do the the other side.
Also I had to use my dremel to clean off the paint where the tubes pass through. Good old dremel!
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Ok time to work on the fuel tank.
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Fuel tap changed along with the seals and pins for the fuel cap which you can't see.
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On to the front mudguard held on by three bolts. One hole was perfect, one had been welded over by the sprayer and the third didn't line up. Out with the drill starting with .5mm and going up in stages to 6.5mm. Then a bit of widening of the third hole was enough to get the bolt in. Lovely!
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I was going to fit the mudguard crest but I couldn't fine the fixing clips even though I could see on my invoices that I'd ordered them. Bugger.
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So that was all I could do. All in all not a bad mornings work.
Body should be back in a few weeks so more updates then.

Time to slam the pheasants and roasties in the oven for a trad boxing day lunch.

Thanks for reading.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:37 am

The body is back so it's time to live in the workshop again.
Tool box door lock fitted
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Parts arrived so the headset is finished
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And heres the body in all its glory
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First job is to fit the floor runners. Luckily I'd pre fitted and drilled the holes so it was just a case of fitting them using my new special rivet tool.
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and 4. Piece of piss! Well nearly. I'd forgotten to drill one hole for the last runner so I had to do that but it went without problems. Also it was 3mm too long so I had to cut it with a hacksaw... whilst on the body as I'd already rivetted it. Careful placement of a piece of metal under where I was sawing ensured I didn't hacksaw through the paint.
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And that all took 2 hours. It was bloody freezing by then so I went and had an alcoholfull beer and felt sorry for Tokey.

I'll be fitting the centre mat on Sunday. It's a shit of a job as you need to stretch the mat and hold a tiny screw and screw it in all at the same time.
Expect swearing.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by DI Burnside @ Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:54 am

Did Kungers come round to help ?

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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:36 pm

Creepy bloody CTF stalkers. I'm now in the habit of checking all photos for reflections because I know what you're like.

Anyway, they are bloody Hunter wellies not spastisandals.
I'd been in the garden putting up some extra support wires for my vine hence the attire.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:12 am

A nice non-eventful Sunday morning spent in the workshop.

Rear badges fitted
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Front badge fitted.
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Wiring loom fitted
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Centre mat partly fitted. There are steel side strips to fit but I'm waiting for the right screws as the ones I had were too thick.
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Sorry it's blurred. It seemed ok when I checked it. Perhaps my eyes are cocked.

Also you might notice that I've used the old mattress topper I had, as a work mat.
Warm, soft and prevents any scratches- made working on the scooter a pleasure.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:48 am

Centre mat finished.

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This afternoon is legshield border fitting time. It's one job I've never done before. I've watched the a video of it 10 times and it looks like a bitch of a job even with the special tool I bought.

Expect a monumental fvckup when I report tomorrow.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:14 pm

Looking forward to it. Is the special tool a welder?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:37 pm

tanglerat wrote:Looking forward to it. Is the special tool a welder?


Not yet. But by the end of today it might.

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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:32 pm

Does it not annoy you that you've stuck the 'Vespa' sign on wonky?

The rest of it looks cracking though ID.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:31 am

Another good afternoon in the workshop.

Trim fitted quite easily but I wish I'd bent it more to suit the profile before it was painted.
Luckily I'd been wise enough to put masking tape all over so there were no scratches.
Not entirely happy with the finish but having checked that's just the way it is.
You can see along the top centre it's not quite smooth but it's impossible to squeeze there as the fork mount gets in the way. It'll be covered by the headset anyway so it's not real problem.

Delmonte- the previous photo made the VESPA badge appear wonky but these show it's correct.
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Threaded in the two gear cables and the clutch cable. Each took about 2 minutes. I was bloody amazed how excellent I was.
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I also fitted the centre stand. The brackets were a little too long on one side but my bench grinder sorted them in minutes and the holes needed slight adjustment but it all fitted in the end. No pictures for some reason. I had to order the spring and spring mounting clip as for some reason I didn't have them.

Sunday I'll be fitting the front fork. Bet you can't wait.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:34 am

This is all going far too smoothly. I'm beginning to think you're quite good at this.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:45 am

Aesgarth wrote:This is all going far too smoothly. I'm beginning to think you're quite good at this.


I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Of all of the remaining tasks I can't think of any I haven't done on previous builds, also I know the engine works so I'm at a loss as to where it's going to fcuk me over.

I have a horrible feeling that it's just sitting there biding its time and on completion will spontaneously combust.
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:05 am

If ID can do these things, then I think we should make 2019 the CTF Restoration Year, where every member should at some point during the year, do a post about restoring something - whether it be a classic car, an old dining chair or a toy or something.

Any interest?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Aesgarth @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:10 am

Careless Whisperer wrote:If ID can do these things, then I think we should make 2019 the CTF Restoration Year, where every member should at some point during the year, do a post about restoring something - whether it be a classic car, an old dining chair or a toy or something.

Any interest?

YES!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Strawman @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:16 am

Ok
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:02 am

Careless Whisperer wrote:If ID can do these things


You say that like I'm some sort of spastic.
I have a mechanical background you know!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:13 am

Il Duce wrote:
Careless Whisperer wrote:If ID can do these things


You say that like I'm some sort of spastic.
I have a mechanical background you know!

Yes, yes, yes... but Italian, see?
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:31 am

Careless Whisperer wrote:
Il Duce wrote:
Careless Whisperer wrote:If ID can do these things


You say that like I'm some sort of spastic.
I have a mechanical background you know!

Yes, yes, yes... but Italian, see?


We aren't lazy like the Spanish and we are know for our engineering prowess (Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini etc) so what are you saying?

That half way through it'll get tough and I'll surrender?

No bloody CBP for you!
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Re: Vespa ET3 FULL Restoration

Post by Careless Whisperer @ Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:46 am

Il Duce wrote:
Careless Whisperer wrote:
Il Duce wrote:
Careless Whisperer wrote:If ID can do these things


You say that like I'm some sort of spastic.
I have a mechanical background you know!

Yes, yes, yes... but Italian, see?


We aren't lazy like the Spanish and we are know for our engineering prowess (Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini etc) so what are you saying?

That half way through it'll get tough and I'll surrender?

No bloody CBP for you!


:hehe: I'm sure it will be beautiful, sound glorious and bow out in a ball of flames a week later...





...only kidding. I wouldn't have a clue where to start.
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