Vespa ET3 Restoration

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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Paul H @ Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:30 pm

So...

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for a fiver, or angle grinders and re-paint?
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:05 pm

Both of your ideas are supershit.


There is a 3rd way.

I've ordered extra rubber gaskets and will try it with two instead of one.

If it looks shit there is a 4th way.

Alu spacer custom made and sprayed then fitted between the horn and mount.
I have an engineer on standby.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Dirk @ Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:10 pm

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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:07 pm

I haven't a clue what you mean Dirk. Have you gone mental?

Yes you have.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by DI Burnside @ Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:50 pm

Don’t pretend you’re too young to get that
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Dirk @ Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:52 pm

DI Burnside wrote:Don’t pretend you’re too young to get that

He may be too old.

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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:06 am

Dirk wrote:
DI Burnside wrote:Don’t pretend you’re too young to get that

He may be too old.

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Ah I see.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:59 am

Let the horn battle commence!

I pulled out the surround a few mm with a dent puller and then fitted one extra gasket with longer screws and I think
it looks pretty good.

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Ran the cable and connected the front brake

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Bolted on the headset
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Pulled all the cables through
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Pulled the wires through to the handlebar switch
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Connected up the cables- before
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and after. Fiddly bloody job! You have to make sure the three cables are seated under the white plastic shroud
in their respected guides then put the metal plate on top then somehow put the screws in and tighten them.
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And finally fitted the brake pedal rubber.
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Two hours of almost hitch free work. I was keen to plough on with more stuff but it's the bluebastard and I decided to quit while I was ahead.

So there's the following jobs to do:
Fit speedo
Connect ignition switch and bulb holder
Wire up light switch
Fit front wheel
Fit rear shock
Mount engine
Connect all cables and wiring.
Fit side door.
Fit toolbox door
Fit seat.
Fit carb and connect.

Kick it over.
Try and work out why it won't start and/or some of the lights don't work.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:28 am

Rear shock fitted

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Tried to drill out the lock but the little shit will NOT come out despite following youtube instructions.
I shall seek advice on the forums
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Was going to fit the ignition switch but found I have two wires but 4 connections.
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Even the wiring diagram doesn't make it clear.
It says black and green, which I have but doesn't say which terminal.
Another question for the forums.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:16 am

Problems solved.
The 2 wires are connected to the two terminals that the switch is touching in the picture.

Ignition switch fitted
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The lock had the fvck drilled out of it until it collapsed
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Then the new one was fitted
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Light swithc wired in and fitted
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Headlamp connected
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Rubber door bushes fitted
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And that was it for Thursday and Sunday.
Still waiting on a lamp holder for the speedo as I ordered the wrong one.
Until that comes I can't fit the speedo or connect its cable into the hub.

After that I need to pop in the engine (2 bolts) fit the carb and petrol tank and seat.
Finally just connect and adjust the cables and fit the stickers and it's finished.

Without wishing to jinx the build it has been surprisingly easy.
What next, is the question?


Still no news from the Ombudsman about the Audi case so no welder yet sorry.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:03 am

Another uneventful afternoon.

Speedo bulb holder and speedo gasket arrived so I could fit the speedo. It actually works when I spin the front wheel!
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I test fitted the side door. Perfect.
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And finally I fitted the front wheel
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Had to order a different new seat. Unbelievably I'd ordered the one for a basic Primavera and not the ET3 so
the wrong one went on Ebay.

Out for lunch on Sunday so I don't expect to be doing anything on the build so I think next Thursday will be engine fitting time. Luckily I'd had the foresight to build a wooden stand for it so I can just lower the body onto the engine and fit the bolt instead of trying to hold it on my lap while I line everything up to fit the long bolt.

Yeah right, fat chance of it working.



Anyway, you have bigger problems to consider: what are you going to read when I've finished this thriller?
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:34 am

Your adventures with welders and welding?

Oh, by the way, I got that clock working again. I just put the minute hand back five minutes and gave the pendulum a swing. It works!

Been running like, ahem, clockwork since.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Freddie @ Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:35 pm

ID, you probably know all of this, but I thought it might amuse. 360 potato quality though.

Original video page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbIa9mIpTBs
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:20 am

Freddie wrote:ID, you probably know all of this, but I thought it might amuse. 360 potato quality though.

Original video page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbIa9mIpTBs


Good find.

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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:11 am

Well what a bastard of an afternoon.

Just pop the engine in, connect it up and kick it over.
My arse!

Engine in.
Rear mounting bolt will not tighten as it's threaded and it's an M9 and I don't have a die to re-cut it. Only an M10 or M8.
Find a temporary bolt and fit it.
Connect the wires to the CDI and bolt it into the tool box.
Fit the tool box lid.

Pretty good so far eh?

Mount carb onto inlet. Connect choke. Connect accelerator ..... nope... too short. FFS!!!!
There are two lengths of cable and this is the wrong shitter.
Light disconected
Remove speedo.
Remove old accel cable thread in new accelerator cable (luckily I had one)- bastard of a job.
Fit to carb- too long but I can use a barrel clamp on the inner cable so no biggie.
Refit speedo.
Reconnect headlight.

Ok lets connect up the gear and clutch cables. Hmmm, they seem to be fouling the rear wheel?
Maybe the wheel is too wide? Oh shit.
After much thought it came to me this morning that there's a cable guide missing which routes the cables around the rear wheel. Trouble is there are 3 different ones available with conflicting advice on the right one. Arse.

So that was 4 hours to do what should have been 30 mins.

Blue bastard!

Here are some photos to increase relieve the boredom.

Back on it's wheels!
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But not for long... it needs to be on the hoist to connect the cables you knobhead!
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Carb fitted and connected.
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Thanks for reading!
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by tanglerat @ Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:15 am

Il Duce wrote:Well what a bastard of an afternoon!



Don't say you weren't warned. You warned yourself!
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:27 am

tanglerat wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Well what a bastard of an afternoon!



Don't say you weren't warned. You warned yourself!


I just put that there to make you read more.

I'm a cunning fox.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:53 am

Easy hour in the workshop.

Fitted the new bolt for the rear suspension but not exciting photo sorry.

Carb connected and fitted
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Loom to engine wiring connected.
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Bulb holder and bulbs fitted
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Seat and helmet hook fitted
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Nearly done.
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Just waiting for a cable guide and I can connect them up and get it started.
Then it's just the stickers and headlamp and it's done.

If all of the electrics work of course.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Paul H @ Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:58 pm

Does it need an MoT or is it old enough to not? And have you kept an account of what it owes you? There seems to have been quite a lot of 'so off to the internet for new parts' moments...

Looks pukka though.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:14 pm

Paul H wrote:Does it need an MoT or is it old enough to not? And have you kept an account of what it owes you? There seems to have been quite a lot of 'so off to the internet for new parts' moments...

Looks pukka though.


It'll need an MOT until 2021 then it becomes classic/historic so no tax or MOT.

I know precisely what I've spent and it's very close to what I'd estimated.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:26 am

Caution! Foul language to follow.



Fvckingcvnt!


Well the BB played a master card yesterday. I connected the gear, brake and clutch cables which just needed a final adjustment once the engine was running. I connected the petrol and kicked it over. It started and then proceeded to run at a million rpm. I turned the on/off switch off but it didn't work, then the vibration dropped it into gear and the little fvcker dragged me with the back wheel spinning, into a wheelbarrow. I managed to turn off the petrol and it stopped. Slight surface scuff on the mudguard but at least no dents. A quick touch up should sort it.

I propped it up so the rear wheel was off the floor and started it again and it repeated the revving so I turned it off at the switch, now working as I'd re-connected the wire that had fallen off.

It's either the slide on the carb is jammed open or there is an air leak on the inlet. Both are strange as it had worked perfectly on the bench. Hopefully it's the carb slide as finding a leak is a fvcker of a job.

Blue bastard.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:29 am

Please tell me this was on film?

Gutted about the scuff though, it was looking mint, hopefully it touches in nicely.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:37 am

manfromdelmonte wrote:Please tell me this was on film?

Gutted about the scuff though, it was looking mint, hopefully it touches in nicely.


Oh yes, I had time to film it and an extra pair of hands to hold the camera ffs!
I wish I had though as it defo would have got me £250 from you've been framed: Engine at 8 million revs, back wheel spinning as I'm dragged in a skiing pose into a wheelbarrow.

The scuffs should cover as they are only surface scratches. I have spare paint but the fvcker can wait until Friday afternoon when I'm off next.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Pigeon @ Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:57 pm

I've done that... skiing pose and all... funny how instinctively compulsive it is to try something so comically futile.

Even more fun when it revs so hard it starts dieseling and even pulling the lead off the spark plug doesn't make any difference.

Another fun one is when it misfires or something and then restarts itself running backwards. No sign anything's wrong, until you try to go somewhere...
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:42 am

Pigeon wrote:I've done that... skiing pose and all... funny how instinctively compulsive it is to try something so comically futile.

Even more fun when it revs so hard it starts dieseling and even pulling the lead off the spark plug doesn't make any difference.

Another fun one is when it misfires or something and then restarts itself running backwards. No sign anything's wrong, until you try to go somewhere...



I connected the leads the wrong way round to the cdi on the orange one and it would only go in reverse. Ah happy times.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:12 am

Result!

The revving its nuts off has been cured.

It wasn't a jammed throttle slide.
It wasn't an airleak on the inlet manifold.

The bastard throttle cable outer was too long. This allowed the carb to move perfectly when out of the bike but as soon as I fitted it down into the scooter, the cable snaked into an s bend which pulled open the carb just enough to make it rev up. I cut the outer by 4 inches and all is now good.

FYBB!

As I got it running properly I noticed that the front lights work but the rear ones don't. Probably a loose connection after the crash last week. I'll sort them once I've adjusted the clutch and gear cables and I can let it tickover without worry.

Avanti!!!!!
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by manfromdelmonte @ Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:09 am

Nice one.

Apologies if I've asked this before, but is the plan to sell this one? Maybe rebuild a Ducati Desmosedici next?
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:03 pm

manfromdelmonte wrote:Nice one.

Apologies if I've asked this before, but is the plan to sell this one? Maybe rebuild a Ducati Desmosedici next?


Yes I plan to sell it and then build a crazy engined plain metal Vespa.
Ducatis? No thanks. Even more trouble than a Lambretta.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:36 am

Well here it is running.

https://vimeo.com/user94824139/review/326287209/b9f7a0d2aa


Gear cables adjusted.

Clutch cable....ummm... tighter....still doesn't disengage... tighter.... nope.... tighter... SNAP!
It appears there's a problem with the clutch.

New cable fitted in 3 minutes but the actuator lever on the actual clutch isn't moving properly. It seems blocked.
I had my doubts when I fitted it but I sent a video of it to my mate in Italy and he said it was ok.
Only thing to do now is to drop the engine, luckily it doesn't have to come out completely, remove the clutch cover and have a look.
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Re: Vespa ET3 Restoration

Post by Il Duce @ Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:43 am

Exhaust off, wheel off, hub off, clutch cover off all in about 10 mins.
No photos as you've seen all that before.

It revealed that the brass plunger that moves the clutch was broken.

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Replaced the part, refitted the cover and connected the clutch to test it and now at least it moves like it should but the clutch still doesn't disengage. I have a feeling that the plates have dried out and stuck together.

I've ordered a tool that will compress the clutch so i can remove the plates without removing the clutch basket. This is a shit job as the tiny woodruff key on the drive shaft is guaranteed to drop into the bowels of the engine when you remove the basket and that would mean engine out and split. Bugger that, I'll pay £18 for the tool thanks.

Hopefully it'll arrive tomorrow so I can pull the plates on Sunday as they'll need soaking in oil for 24 hours ready for refitting next Thursday.
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